Originally posted by Proper KnobWe gone down this path before, you ask me a few questions and you end up
Okay. A few more questions -
1. How long ago was the flood in your view?
2. How long did the animals have to make it to their respective continents before the 'drift' began?
3. How long did it take for the South American continent to drift the 2580km it is now from Africa?
4. When did this drift finish?
Much obliged.
ending the discussion. Can I get some questions and follow ups with you as
well?
1. The flood occured about 1600 years after creation if my memory is correct.
2. The animals started spreading out as soon as the Ark landed.
3. I do not know, I said a few thousand it could have been a day since the
divide did not have to occur due to a drift.
4. If its still moving I'd say it hasn't.
So my questions.
I believe God created everything and that God Himself has always been.
Where do you think everything came from?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayWikipedia's article on continental drift:
We gone down this path before, you ask me a few questions and you end up
ending the discussion. Can I get some questions and follow ups with you as
well?
1. The flood occured about 1600 years after creation if my memory is correct.
2. The animals started spreading out as soon as the Ark landed.
3. I do not know, I said a few thousand it could have be ...[text shortened]... rything and that God Himself has always been.
Where do you think everything came from?
Kelly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_drift
Originally posted by KellyJayWe have gone down a similar path to this one, not this exact one. Of course, you are free to ask me any questions and i will answer them as honestly as i can.
We gone down this path before, you ask me a few questions and you end up
ending the discussion. Can I get some questions and follow ups with you as
well?
1. The flood occured about 1600 years after creation if my memory is correct.
2. The animals started spreading out as soon as the Ark landed.
3. I do not know, I said a few thousand it could have be ...[text shortened]... rything and that God Himself has always been.
Where do you think everything came from?
Kelly
1. The flood occured about 1600 years after creation if my memory is correct.
Do you have an exact(ish) date for creation. I've probably asked you before but i have forgotten. I'm trying to build a time frame of events here.
2. The animals started spreading out as soon as the Ark landed.
I understand that. But how long did they have to get back to their respective continents before the land masses started moving? Australia has some rather distinctive animals as i'm sure you are aware, a kangaroo had 14000km (give or take a few) to get from the Middle East back to Australia before the land masses began shifting.
3. I do not know, I said a few thousand it could have been a day since the
divide did not have to occur due to a drift.
What other options are there apart from the drift of continents?
4. If its still moving I'd say it hasn't.
The continents are still moving because the entire mantle of the Earth's crust is moving. Hence we get earthquakes. But the rate at which the continents are moving is around 0.6 - 10cm a year. For your scenario to have happened we would have had a truly colossal shift. I'm trying to ascertain when this colossal shift began and when it stopped.
Where do you think everything came from?
If you mean how/why did the Universe come into existence ie. the first cause. The simple answer - I have no idea. I am in the same boat along with you and everybody on this planet. The difference is that where you have chosen to believe something which gives you an explanation i choose to remain open minded.
Originally posted by KellyJaydo you believe it is reasonable to assume that about 100 years after the big flood wiped almost all humanity off the face of the world, the humans managed to form a civilisation so advanced that they built a tower so big it pissed off god? taken from the bible.
We gone down this path before, you ask me a few questions and you end up
ending the discussion. Can I get some questions and follow ups with you as
well?
1. The flood occured about 1600 years after creation if my memory is correct.
2. The animals started spreading out as soon as the Ark landed.
3. I do not know, I said a few thousand it could have be ...[text shortened]... rything and that God Himself has always been.
Where do you think everything came from?
Kelly
but putting the bible aside, how do you explain the Egyptian civilisation (and every other civilisation for that matter) never mentioned the flood that should have wipe them off? if creation happened about 6000 years ago, that means your flood happened about 2400 BC. so there were egyptians prior to the flood and egyptians after the flood? with no record of "omr (oh my Ra), why does it keep raining, save us Ra"
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Originally posted by Proper Knob
We have gone down a similar path to this one, not this exact one. Of course, you are free to ask me any questions and i will answer them as honestly as i can.
[b]1. The flood occured about 1600 years after creation if my memory is correct.
Do you have an exact(ish) date for creation. I've probably asked you before but i have forgotten. I'm tryi o believe something which gives you an explanation i choose to remain open minded.[/b]
If you mean how/why did the Universe come into existence ie. the first cause. The simple answer - I have no idea. I am in the same boat along with you and everybody on this planet. The difference is that where you have chosen to believe something which gives you an explanation i choose to remain open minded.
Fair enough. But let me ask you if the following situation would be a reasonable parallel.
Tomorrow SETI (Search For Extraterestial Intelligence) should receive a signal from outer space consisting of, say, 1000 numbers which are all PRIMES and in ascending order. Suppose these 1,000 numbers had some manner of representation in which it was evident that PRIME numbers were being symbolized.
Now some examine the evidence and say "We must have recieved a signal from an intelligence of some kind."
Suppose I respond "Well, you have chosen to believe something which gives explanation to this series of numbers. However, I choose to remain open minded about it."
Let us say after another 25 years they still have no other plausible explanation for this signal. And I still continue to claim to have an "open mind" about it, or after 50 years ?
Is that similar to your open mind about a Creator of the universe ? "Similar," I ask, not exactly the same in every regard.
Originally posted by ZahlanziThere were no Egyptians before the flood. Your date of 2500 BC is a wrong assumption so clearly your conclusion is also wrong.
do you believe it is reasonable to assume that about 100 years after the big flood wiped almost all humanity off the face of the world, the humans managed to form a civilisation so advanced that they built a tower so big it pissed off god? taken from the bible.
but putting the bible aside, how do you explain the Egyptian civilisation (and every other ci ...[text shortened]... ians after the flood? with no record of "omr (oh my Ra), why does it keep raining, save us Ra"
Originally posted by jaywillI'll give that some thought and get back to you.If you mean how/why did the Universe come into existence ie. the first cause. The simple answer - I have no idea. I am in the same boat along with you and everybody on this planet. The difference is that where you have chosen to believe something which gives you an explanation i choose to remain open minded.
Fair enough. But let me ...[text shortened]... Creator of the universe ? [b]"Similar," I ask, not exactly the same in every regard.[/b]
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Originally posted by ZahlanziNoah was very knowlegeable, since he was instructed by God, and he had
do you believe it is reasonable to assume that about 100 years after the big flood wiped almost all humanity off the face of the world, the humans managed to form a civilisation so advanced that they built a tower so big it pissed off god? taken from the bible.
but putting the bible aside, how do you explain the Egyptian civilisation (and every other ci ...[text shortened]... ians after the flood? with no record of "omr (oh my Ra), why does it keep raining, save us Ra"
500 years of experience to pass along to his descendants. It is believed
that it was only thirty something years after the flood that Noah's kin
began building the Tower of Babel, but God stopped this by confusing
their languages so that they could not cooperate with each other. Then
they began to scatter over the earth and apparently took some of the
animals with them. Some scholars have calculated that it was 101 years
after the flood that the Holy Bible says the earth was divided and think
this refers to the dividing of the continents. This had to occur fast enough
that they could notice it, so it probably occured through earthquakes I
quess.
So It appears that, if the amount of time is correct, that it only took
101 years for the animals and humans to travel far enough to be on
the other side of the split lines of the continents. The means of travel is
not known. It could have been over land by horse, camel, or elephant or
over the water by boat. We can only speculate. But somehow they got
there. Some traveled there after the split of course.