Evolution question????

Originally posted by googlefudge
erm, just to be clear, neither evolution, nor any scientists ever, claims that anything came
from nothing let alone everything came from nothing.

Theists on the other hand do believe such nonsense. God poofing things into existence from
nothing, as well as sometimes god itself.

probably been posted before, but there is truth in comedy.

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Originally posted by Proper Knob
Here's one for you Kelly - When the flood was over, how did all the animals and dinosaurs get back to their respective continents?

And secondly, why can't you accept theistic evolution like numerous other Christians? That way you don't have believe 'everything came from nothing'.

1. Walked, ran, flew, crawed, and I'm sure there is something I'm missing.
2. What do you mean by 'theistic evolution'?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
1. Walked, ran, flew, crawed, and I'm sure there is something I'm missing.
2. What do you mean by 'theistic evolution'?
Kelly

How did the mammals of the South American rainforests make it back? If they went east they had to traverse the Pacific Ocean, if they went west the Atlantic Ocean.

Theistic evolution -

Theistic evolution or evolutionary creation is a concept that asserts that classical religious teachings about God are compatible with the modern scientific understanding about biological evolution. In short, theistic evolutionists believe that there is a God, that God is the creator of the material universe and (by consequence) all life within, and that biological evolution is simply a natural process within that creation. Evolution, according to this view, is simply a tool that God employed to develop human life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution

Originally posted by Proper Knob
How did the mammals of the South American rainforests make it back? If they went east they had to traverse the Pacific Ocean, if they went west the Atlantic Ocean.

Theistic evolution -

Theistic evolution or evolutionary creation is a concept that asserts that classical religious teachings about God are compatible with the modern scientifi ...[text shortened]... t God employed to develop human life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution

The animals did not have to go across any oceans because the earth was
not divided by the oceans in those days.

Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place,
and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. (Genesis 1:9 NASB)

To me this means the waters were not originally divided into the Atlantic
and Pacific Oceans and the dry land was connected. So the animals would
not have to travel across oceans.

It was after the flood of Noah's day, that Peleg was born and his name means
"division". Genesis 10:25 says, "Two sons were born to Eber; the name of
the one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s
name was Joktan.

Peleg’s grandfather was Salah and it means ‘send, scatter, make somebody to
flee … ’ and he could have been given this name because he was born at about
the time of the separation of the peoples of the earth at Babel by God’s
confusion of their language. It was 37 years after the Flood. They had
actually 64 years to get to their ordered territories by God before the
continental drifts.

Scientists are wondering how it has been possible for ancient people to
travel over the continents and this seems to be the biblical explanation.
This may also answer your question about animals getting to other continents.

For more information see:

http://www.kjvbible.org/peleg.html

Originally posted by Proper Knob
How did the mammals of the South American rainforests make it back? If they went east they had to traverse the Pacific Ocean, if they went west the Atlantic Ocean.

Theistic evolution -

Theistic evolution or evolutionary creation is a concept that asserts that classical religious teachings about God are compatible with the modern scientifi ...[text shortened]... t God employed to develop human life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution

My answer doesn't change, what could have changed would be conditions/position of the land masses.
Kelly

Originally posted by RJHinds
The animals did not have to go across any oceans because the earth was
not divided by the oceans in those days.

Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place,
and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. (Genesis 1:9 NASB)

To me this means the waters were not originally divided into the Atlantic
and Pacific Oceans and t ...[text shortened]... ting to other continents.

For more information see:

http://www.kjvbible.org/peleg.html

Off the top of my head the Pacific is about 20,000km wide, and lets say Noah was about 5,000 years ago, that means the Pacific is averaging 4km a year.

mmmmmm

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Off the top of my head the Pacific is about 20,000km wide, and lets say Noah was about 5,000 years ago, that means the Pacific is averaging 4km a year.

mmmmmm

I don't understand what you are trying to say. It makes no sense to me.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I don't understand what you are trying to say. It makes no sense to me.

How old do you think the Pacific is?

Originally posted by wolfgang59
How old do you think the Pacific is?

I don't know, but it was the land that split and moved apart. The water was
there at creation except what was above the firmament in heaven that came
down as rain during the great flood. So the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans are
the result of land moving apart causing the continents, but they consist of the
same water created in the beginning of creation by God.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
How old do you think the Pacific is?

It wasn't always the Pacific. Before it was named it was known as that big water thing. 😕

Originally posted by RJHinds
I don't know, but it was the land that split and moved apart. The water was
there at creation except what was above the firmament in heaven that came
down as rain during the great flood. So the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans are
the result of land moving apart causing the continents, but they consist of the
same water created in the beginning of creation by God.

OK. When did the land move apart?
better still tell me the average speed of that movement ... or maybe even ponder over the maximum

Originally posted by KellyJay
My answer doesn't change, what could have changed would be conditions/position of the land masses.
Kelly

Yet all the animals we see today are remarkably adapted to their specific environments. Your view of the world requires much faster evolution than the scientific view.

Originally posted by KellyJay
My answer doesn't change, what could have changed would be conditions/position of the land masses.
Kelly

Tell me more about the positions of these 'land changes'.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The animals did not have to go across any oceans because the earth was
not divided by the oceans in those days.

Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place,
and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. (Genesis 1:9 NASB)

To me this means the waters were not originally divided into the Atlantic
and Pacific Oceans and t ting to other continents.

For more information see:

http://www.kjvbible.org/peleg.html

Let's just say you are correct for a minute and let's think this through.

The distance from Africa to South America is around 2580km. Answersingenesis.com dates to the flood to 2304BC, that's 4315 years ago. By my college level maths that's a rate of shift moving at 600m a year!!!!.

We have to factor into that timeframe the length of time the animals take to get to their respective continents before the land begins to shift. They also have to traverse the Sahara dessert, no small feat for a mammal that likes living in tropical rainforests. Let's take a sloth which literally moves at a snails pace, which are common in the Amazon rainforest, how is a sloth going to travel from the Middle East across the Sahara dessert and onto the continent of South America?

There are some gaping holes in your theory Ron.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
OK. When did the land move apart?
better still tell me the average speed of that movement ... or maybe even ponder over the maximum

It was about the time Peleg was born, which was about 101 years after
the great flood during Noah's day. It apparently is not important for
us to know anything about the average speed of continental drift.