The proof of A god existing is humanity in itself. Nothing in the universe comes even close to matching the complexity of the human brain. A pencil in your hand is silly simple, but it still took someone to make it.
So no need for a come back about evolution. The more the so called experts try to prove it the dumber it gets.
@caissad4 saidProof is God showing up ending the debate, but when the author steps on stage the play is over.
I don't know. You make the extraordinary claim of the existence of a god, please show me your extraordinary proof.
You get to see the universe and everything in it, to draw your own conclusions. If you choose to ignore what is before you, that’s on you.
@rajk999 saidExcept you, of course 🙂
I dont know why Christians feel they need to argue about the existence of God? It is pointless. The bible says it is all based on faith. There is no proof that God exists that people can show to anyone. NONE. Claims of Holy Spirit gifts and powers are also a sham and often a disgrace to Christ. Christians need to just shut up, put into practice the teachings of Christ and may ...[text shortened]... their good works that God exists. As it stands they are mostly shamelessly lazy, greedy and selfish.
@divegeester saidOf course. It does not apply to me and others who have made no extraordinary claims.. Eg
Except you, of course 🙂
- I have the Holy Spirit
- I have eternal life
- Non-Christians will be tormented for eternity
No such thing have I ever claimed
@moonbus saidReally I think you are avoiding one of the most important questions of them all! To know the beginning reveals a vast amount of errors in how the universe should be viewed. I have no doubt that question just because of that is avoided many who see the answer as bursting of their world views.
It doesn't matter. It's a spurious question.
@caissad4 saidWhat do you mean by "exists"? In the sense that mathematicians use the word "exists" then the only requirement is that there isn't a logical contradiction so a sentence such as "God exists" is fine. From the point of view of an experimental physicist there's a problem as there's no way of doing an experiment (and living to publish the results) so that sense of "God exists" seems to be problematic. Which leaves me wondering what we mean when we apply the word "exists" to something whose existence is difficult to establish.
It is you who has made the extraordinary claim of the existence of a god.
I do not claim to know whether a god exists or doesn't exist.
The evidence for physical evolution is overwhelming and indisputable. The two great mysteries that I can think of at the moment are;
From what did everything begin, and how and why did this happen.
And;
When and how did the human brain make the unique, quantum evolutionary leap to self awareness.
The 'answer' to the first question is that nobody knows. Science is having a bash with the 'big bang' theory and so forth, but even if that happened nobody yet knows how or why.
The answer to the second question is also unknown, but it is our self awareness and self consciousness which makes us ask the questions as to our own existence and our ultimate fate, clever old us. We can't explain it, (where we came from and where we are going) so we have created gods in various manifestations to try to make sense of it; we have created 'belief', which is an abstract concept.
As regards the subject and point of this thread, if we claim something (such as the existence of a god) then it is reasonable to be asked to back up that claim; if that can't be done then the 'claim' becomes invalid.
If we say that we believe in something (such as the existence of a god) then there's nothing more to be said; a belief is only that, and cannot be proved or disproved. I could say that I believe that there is an invisible pink elephant sitting on the roof; I cannot prove this, but nobody can prove that I'm wrong. Such is the nature of belief.
@galveston75 saidYour statement is not extraordinary proof for your extraordinary claim.
The proof of A god existing is humanity in itself. Nothing in the universe comes even close to matching the complexity of the human brain. A pencil in your hand is silly simple, but it still took someone to make it.
So no need for a come back about evolution. The more the so called experts try to prove it the dumber it gets.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Please provide extraordinary proof for your extraordinary claim.