@kellyjay saidSo why did God give me a brain that requires certainty, not faith?
Yes
I guess that is one of the reasons God asks for faith not certainty.
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@indonesia-phil saidThere was no 'origin' of the universe old friend.
As regards the origins of the universe I don't think I have all of the answers, in fact I don't have any answers at all, my cup of tea stands empty. So what's the truth?
Time was the invention of a chap called Gary in 1453BC.
https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/67884-what-are-the-odds-of-life-evolving-by-chance-alone/
http://www.earthage.org/intro/odds_of_evolution_by_chance.htm
https://townhall.com/columnists/jerrynewcombe/2017/06/15/untitled-n2341269
https://www.icr.org/article/mathematical-impossibility-evolution/
So..... if there were no God to create, please explain how life came to be or as the subject has mostly been on proof of basically everything and who made it all?
Again all we see around us as for as you can see, was designed and put all together by Jehovah.
A really neat thing I learned in a couple of these sites is evolution is very impossible because the universe just isn't old enough according to the math. Cool huh?
@galveston75 saidQuoting the Bible to prove that the Bible is true is no proof at all, much less an extraordinary one. It is a logical fallacy (petitio principii). It is the equivalent of quoting Tacitus to prove that Tacitus is true or quoting Homer to prove that Homer is true. Total non-starter.
It's clear that some here do not believe in the God that the bible speaks of for their own reasons but it's actually sad to me that they don't because believing in a creator fills in so many voids and questions that we have and can't answer . As humans it seems to be that most of us in our hearts want to believe and understand in something along the lines of how did we co ...[text shortened]... oesn't exist, so that means I don't have to answer to some being up in space. I can do my own thing"
@the-christians-here
Kindly provide evidence (or proof) that souls exist. I'm not asking for an airtight logically flawless irrefutable deduction from indisputable axioms, just some rational reason to think any such thing as a soul exists. And please don't waste your and my time telling me that consciousness exists, or sensation, perception, feelings, memory etc. exist. Cats and dogs have all those; but they don't have souls (that is established Christian doctrine). So, 'howbout it, anyone? Give me a reason to think souls exist, something metaphysical, not mere psychology.
@moonbus saidHere you go. According to the bible, not most religions, the soul is the human body. It is our flesh, or our bodies. As this will show at the end is where the teaching of the body living on after death is not correct. It is not ever supported in the Bible and in fact the soul or our flesh is very mortal.
@the-christians-here
Kindly provide evidence (or proof) that souls exist. I'm not asking for an airtight logically flawless irrefutable deduction from indisputable axioms, just some rational reason to think any such thing as a soul exists. And please don't waste your and my time telling me that consciousness exists, or sensation, perception, feelings, memory etc. exist. Ca ...[text shortened]... , anyone? Give me a reason to think souls exist, something metaphysical, not mere psychology.
"The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word neʹphesh and the Greek word psy·kheʹ. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.”* The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body. Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:
When Jehovah God created the first man, Adam, the Bible says that “man became a living soul.” (Genesis 2:7, King James Version) Adam was not given a soul​—he became a living soul, or person.
The Bible says that the soul can work, crave food, eat, obey laws, and touch a dead body. (Leviticus 5:2; 7:​20; 23:30; Deuteronomy 12:20; Romans 13:1) Those activities involve the entire person.
Is the soul immortal?
No, the soul can die. Dozens of Bible verses refer to the soul as being mortal. Here are some examples:
“The soul that sinneth, it shall die.”​—Ezekiel 18:​4, 20, King James Version.
In ancient Israel, the punishment for the most serious offenses was that the “soul shall be cut off.” (Exodus 12:15, 19; Leviticus 7:​20, 21, 27; 19:8, King James Version) The person would “be put to death.”​—Exodus 31:14, King James Version.
After a person dies, the literal term “dead soul” is used for the corpse in some Bible verses. (Leviticus 21:11, footnote; Numbers 6:6, footnote) Although many Bible translations use the terms “dead body” or “dead person” in those verses, the original Hebrew uses the word neʹphesh, or “soul.”
“Soul” can mean “life”
The Bible also uses “soul” as a synonym for “life.” For example, Job 33:22 uses the Hebrew word for “soul” (neʹphesh) as a parallel for “life.” Similarly, the Bible shows that a person’s soul, or life, can be risked or lost.​—Exodus 4:​19; Judges 9:​17; Philippians 2:​30.
This use of the word for “soul” helps us to understand verses in which the soul is said to be “going out” or “departing.” (Genesis 35:18; King James Version) This figure of speech indicates that the person’s life is ending. Some translations render this expression at Genesis 35:18 as “she breathed her last.”​—Good News Translation; New Jerusalem Bible.
Where belief in an immortal soul comes from
Christian denominations that believe in an immortal soul get this teaching, not from the Bible, but from ancient Greek philosophy. The Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Biblical references to the soul are related to the concept of breath and establish no distinction between the ethereal soul and the corporeal body. Christian concepts of a body-soul dichotomy originated with the ancient Greeks.”
God does not condone merging his teachings with human philosophies, such as belief in an immortal soul. Instead, the Bible warns: “Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition.”​—Colossians 2:8. "Bible questions answered"
So a soul is you, your fleshly body.
@galveston75 saidI've heard it said that as many as 99.9999 percent of species which have existed are now extinct, and even if this is wrong by a few percentage points, the life which we see now is a small proportion of that which has existed. Evolution is everywhere, it is rampant and unceasing, and has no need of mathematics.
https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/67884-what-are-the-odds-of-life-evolving-by-chance-alone/
http://www.earthage.org/intro/odds_of_evolution_by_chance.htm
https://townhall.com/columnists/jerrynewcombe/2017/06/15/untitled-n2341269
https://www.icr.org/article/mathematical-impossibility-evolution/
So..... if there were no God to create, please explain how life ...[text shortened]... ution is very impossible because the universe just isn't old enough according to the math. Cool huh?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou're making my head explode again, aren't you?
There was no 'origin' of the universe old friend.
Time was the invention of a chap called Gary in 1453BC.
Yeah, I heard of Gary, he was late for an appointment and wondered why.
If it's okay by you I'll drink the tea anyway.
@galveston75 saidFirst the bible cannot prove that the soul exists. Proof of what the bible said must come from a source outside of and independent from the bible. Get that little fact straight in your big head.
Here you go. According to the bible, not most religions, the soul is the human body. It is our flesh, or our bodies. As this will show at the end is where the teaching of the body living on after death is not correct. It is not ever supported in the Bible and in fact the soul or our flesh is very mortal.
"The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew wo ...[text shortened]... an tradition.”​—Colossians 2:8. "Bible questions answered"
So a soul is you, your fleshly body.
Second Jesus said that man can kill the body but he cannot kill the soul. Therefore Jesus [AGAIN] is proving that you do not know what you are speaking of. The body is separate and distinct from the soul. However you are correct in the one point that there is no such thing as an immortal soul. The soul can die when God is ready for it to die.
@rajk999 saidYep, typical "don't believe everything the bible says" silliness you create.
First the bible cannot prove that the soul exists. Proof of what the bible said must come from a source outside of and independent from the bible. Get that little fact straight in your big head.
Second Jesus said that man can kill the body but he cannot kill the soul. Therefore Jesus [AGAIN] is proving that you do not know what you are speaking of. The body is separat ...[text shortened]... t that there is no such thing as an immortal soul. The soul can die when God is ready for it to die.
@indonesia-phil saidWhatever you want to believe you are welcome to it.
I've heard it said that as many as 99.9999 percent of species which have existed are now extinct, and even if this is wrong by a few percentage points, the life which we see now is a small proportion of that which has existed. Evolution is everywhere, it is rampant and unceasing, and has no need of mathematics.
@galveston75 saidEvolution is science fact.
https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/67884-what-are-the-odds-of-life-evolving-by-chance-alone/
http://www.earthage.org/intro/odds_of_evolution_by_chance.htm
https://townhall.com/columnists/jerrynewcombe/2017/06/15/untitled-n2341269
https://www.icr.org/article/mathematical-impossibility-evolution/
So..... if there were no God to create, please explain how life ...[text shortened]... ution is very impossible because the universe just isn't old enough according to the math. Cool huh?
Creationism is not science fact. It is a religious belief.
The Earth is billions of years old. That is science fact.
You have posted extraordinary lies, not extraordinary proof.
Please show extraordinary proof for your extraordinary claims.
@galveston75 saidDidn't you previously post that your soul was in your blood ? You said it was one of the reasons JW's don't do blood transfusions.
Here you go. According to the bible, not most religions, the soul is the human body. It is our flesh, or our bodies. As this will show at the end is where the teaching of the body living on after death is not correct. It is not ever supported in the Bible and in fact the soul or our flesh is very mortal.
"The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew wo ...[text shortened]... an tradition.”​—Colossians 2:8. "Bible questions answered"
So a soul is you, your fleshly body.
I am sure it was you because I joked that you could make your soul larger by removing your blood and storing it, thus increasing the size of your soul.
Yeah, it was you.
You are a silly, silly JW.
@moonbus saidWhat is a soul?
@the-christians-here
Kindly provide evidence (or proof) that souls exist. I'm not asking for an airtight logically flawless irrefutable deduction from indisputable axioms, just some rational reason to think any such thing as a soul exists. And please don't waste your and my time telling me that consciousness exists, or sensation, perception, feelings, memory etc. exist. Ca ...[text shortened]... , anyone? Give me a reason to think souls exist, something metaphysical, not mere psychology.
Tell me what gravity is, tell me what energy is!
@caissad4 saidWhen you say evolution is a fact, define evolution so we know what this fact is.
Evolution is science fact.
Creationism is not science fact. It is a religious belief.
The Earth is billions of years old. That is science fact.
You have posted extraordinary lies, not extraordinary proof.
Please show extraordinary proof for your extraordinary claims.
Creationism is not a fact, I agree.
The earth is billions of years old, I imagine that is as sound as you evolution fact.
Your beliefs are extraordinary!