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Originally posted by KellyJayThere is nothing in that passage which conflicts with the teachings of Jesus.
Why would I argue for something I have already agreed with you on? There is no debate
that Jesus is greater, we agree case closed. That however was not the question I put to you.
It doesn't matter that Jesus has more knowledge or anything else. Where you and I are
discussing is the Word of God as God chooses to give it to us. When God lets us know
tha ...[text shortened]... ou from your ancestors, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
Where there seems to be a conflicting statement by a lesser authority than Jesus Christ I stay with Jesus Christ.
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Originally posted by Rajk999Good to know, but you make it sound like that is not always the case when you say you
There is nothing in that passage which conflicts with the teachings of Jesus.
Where there seems to be a conflicting statement by a lesser authority than Jesus Christ I stay with Jesus Christ.
will take Jesus over others. Can you give me an example where the Word of God is not
in agreement with Jesus' Words?
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Originally posted by KellyJayI will take Jesus over others .. end of story. Jesus is the only infallible authority. So obviously it must apply where it appears that others say something and Jesus says something else.
Good to know, but you make it sound like that is not always the case when you say you
will take Jesus over others. Can you give me an example where the Word of God is not
in agreement with Jesus' Words?
As for examples. You will have to go back and see where you said Paul said this and I said Jesus said that... do the research. I aint doing that. Otherwise you ask a specific question and I will respond if you like.
Originally posted by Rajk999The thing is, you are suggesting God is a God of confusion by your stance that some how
I will take Jesus over others .. end of story. Jesus is the only infallible authority. So obviously it must apply where it appears that others say something and Jesus says something else.
As for examples. You will have to go back and see where you said Paul said this and I said Jesus said that... do the research. I aint doing that. Otherwise you ask a specific question and I will respond if you like.
Jesus' words carry different meaning the rest of God's Word. You think God when God
gives us His meaning that people alter it to mean something else and only Jesus gives us
the pure Word of God? If that is true, then why do you trust anything since Matthew, Mark,
Luke, and John wrote the gospels not Jesus. How do you know they got His words right?
Originally posted by KellyJayI never said Jesus words carry different meaning from the rest of Gods word. If there is confusion in your doctrine then you have to fix that. There is none in mine.
The thing is, you are suggesting God is a God of confusion by your stance that some how
Jesus' words carry different meaning the rest of God's Word. You think God when God
gives us His meaning that people alter it to mean something else and only Jesus gives us
the pure Word of God? If that is true, then why do you trust anything since Matthew, Mark,
Luke, and John wrote the gospels not Jesus. How do you know they got His words right?
Anyhow, you figure out your problem. Im not a problem solver for the issues others have. I am comfortable with my belief. It appears that you are not.
I go with Jesus Christ .. the Way, the Truth and the Life. My doctrine is from Christ. Jesus is that NARROW WAY .. not many people can walk in that way.
Originally posted by Rajk999Well if that is what you believe, why do you make the distinction between there is Jesus'
I never said Jesus words carry different meaning from the rest of Gods word. If there is confusion in your doctrine then you have to fix that. There is none in mine.
Anyhow, you figure out your problem. Im not a problem solver for the issues others have. I am comfortable with my belief. It appears that you are not.
I go with Jesus Christ .. the Way, th ...[text shortened]... e. My doctrine is from Christ. Jesus is that NARROW WAY .. not many people can walk in that way.
words and those of others in scripture as if there is a choice that they are some how not
of the same worth? God's Word is God's Word and He can give it to us any way He wants
it is up to us to follow it, not make a judgment call that this Word is more important that
that one on the basis of who said it with respect to God's truth. Context I can see how that
would make a difference, but not on who the speaker is after all even a donkey can be
used by God, or a bush, or a voice out of a cloud...it isn't who says it, it is if God is in it or
not.
If you believe Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life how is it you claim people are
going to be saved not through Jesus, but through their own efforts by doing good works?
Not sure what you mean by walking in that way, isn't Jesus the Way? If you are not
walking with Jesus how can you be walking in the Way?
Originally posted by KellyJayJesus is in all those who do good works and live righteously.including those who profess to be atheists. Jesus is NOT in people who continue with sin. If a born again Christian continues with sin then Jesus is NOT in that man.
Well if that is what you believe, why do you make the distinction between there is Jesus'
words and those of others in scripture as if there is a choice that they are some how not
of the same worth? God's Word is God's Word and He can give it to us any way He wants
it is up to us to follow it, not make a judgment call that this Word is more important tha ...[text shortened]... way, isn't Jesus the Way? If you are not
walking with Jesus how can you be walking in the Way?
Nobody is saved by good works. I never said that.. you say it. All people are saved by the blood of Christ and Christ grants eternal life to all those he considers good and righteous and worthy of eternal life, as he stated clearly in Matt 25.
I am now done with replying to you. I have repeatedly said the same thing over and over and Im frankly tired of your lack of understanding of simple english.
GOODBYE !!! I hope you find your way because you appear lost.
Originally posted by Rajk999I'm at a loss in how you know that Christians sin and those you claim are doing good
Jesus is in all those who do good works and live righteously.including those who profess to be atheists. Jesus is NOT in people who continue with sin. If a born again Christian continues with sin then Jesus is NOT in that man.
Nobody is saved by good works. I never said that.. you say it. All people are saved by the blood of Christ and Christ grants et ...[text shortened]... derstanding of simple english.
GOODBYE !!! I hope you find your way because you appear lost.
works are not sinning! What stops someone who does not belong to Christ from sinning,
are they not just a sinner like the rest of us, or is there something about doing good works
that stops someone from sinning?
We know what the scripture says, all of us have sinned, so what makes the 'good'
workers those that are not sinning, to the point that even someone who was born again
life would not measure up to them as having sinless lives?
I can agree with you that those who choose a life of sin are not walking in the Spirit of God
and I'd never argue they are. I will say that only a few will be saved, not because they
earned it on their own, but because Jesus saved them and they walked out their lives
with Him. You it seems do not require Jesus in their lives only that they full fill this sinless
life and doing good works, but none of us are sinless and require God's grace and mercy!
This isn't something we can earn or demand of God because we were good enough in this
life time.
Originally posted by KellyJay'Jesus is in all those who do good works and live righteously.' Rajk999
I'm at a loss in how you know that Christians sin and those you claim are doing good
works are not sinning! What stops someone who does not belong to Christ from sinning,
are they not just a sinner like the rest of us, or is there something about doing good works
that stops someone from sinning?
We know what the scripture says, all of us have sinned, ...[text shortened]... his isn't something we can earn or demand of God because we were good enough in this
life time.
I don't believe he was saying that doing good works precludes someone from sinning, as one is also required to 'live righteously.'
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeWell what he said is meaningless unless he can site the scripture to back up those
'Jesus is in all those who do good works and live righteously.' Rajk999
I don't believe he was saying that doing good works precludes someone from sinning, as one is also required to 'live righteously.'
statements. So lets begin with "Jesus is in all who do good works and live righteously."
The scriptures says that we have ALL sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Romans 3:23
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Since all of us have sinned, can we make the claim anyone of us is living righteously
before God?
Where does it say Jesus is in those who do good works in the Bible?
I know where it says we are not saved by works of the law.
Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Where again does it say Jesus is in those that do good works?
I know where it says we are not saved by doing works.
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
According to Rajk999 Jesus isn't required in his view, the Bible and he do not agree with
each other. You can give him scripture telling him that unless you believe in Jesus you
are condemned already, he will ignore it. He can quote Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and
the Life until you remind him that means only Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life we
do not get to God without Jesus Christ.
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Originally posted by KellyJayThere are billions of people living righteously in this world without any knowledge or interest in Jesus Christ. You should venture out here and mingle with them. Or have you taken it upon yourself commandeer the word "righteously", define it using self-serving circular-logic, and then use it to lubricate your partisan (and profoundly misanthropic) rhetoric? 😉
Cleared up? Tell me how do you know without Jesus Christ someone can live righteously?