@KellyJay
Sorry for the long post. But if you ask me a question I'm only going to do it the way that I know to explain it. If you want to learn what we believe the Bible, God's word says which is the truth, right?, you just have to take the chance you might learn something you didn't know. You don't know it all, right?
If you don't want my answers, don't ask questions.......... Now look up all the scriptures and go from there...
"The holy spirit is God’s power in action, his active force. (Micah 3:8; Luke 1:35) God sends out his spirit by projecting his energy to any place to accomplish his will.—Psalm 104:30; 139:7.
In the Bible, the word “spirit” is translated from the Hebrew word ruʹach and the Greek word pneuʹma. Most often, those words refer to God’s active force, or holy spirit. (Genesis 1:2) However, the Bible also uses those words in other senses:
Breath.—Habakkuk 2:19; Revelation 13:15.
Wind.—Genesis 8:1; John 3:8.
The vital, or animating, force in living creatures.—Job 34:14, 15.
A person’s disposition or attitude.—Numbers 14:24.
Spirit persons, including God and the angels.—1 Kings 22:21; John 4:24.
These meanings all share the sense of something invisible to humans that produces visible effects. Similarly, the spirit of God, “like the wind, is invisible, immaterial and powerful.”—An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, by W. E. Vine.
The Bible also refers to God’s holy spirit as his “hands” or “fingers.” (Psalm 8:3; 19:1; Luke 11:20; compare Matthew 12:28.) Just as a craftsman uses his hands and fingers to do his work, God has used his spirit to produce such results as the following:
The universe.—Psalm 33:6; Isaiah 66:1, 2.
The Bible.—2 Peter 1:20, 21.
The miracles performed by his ancient servants and their zealous preaching.—Luke 4:18; Acts 1:8; 1 Corinthians 12:4-11.
The fine qualities displayed by people who obey him.—Galatians 5:22, 23.
The holy spirit is not a person.........
By referring to God’s spirit as his “hands,” “fingers,” or “breath,” the Bible shows that the holy spirit is not a person. (Exodus 15:8, 10) A craftsman’s hands cannot function independent of his mind and body; likewise, God’s holy spirit operates only as he directs it. (Luke 11:13) The Bible also compares God’s spirit to water and associates it with such things as faith and knowledge. These comparisons all point to the impersonal nature of the holy spirit.—Isaiah 44:3; Acts 6:5; 2 Corinthians 6:6.
The Bible gives the names of Jehovah God and of his Son, Jesus Christ; yet, nowhere does it name the holy spirit. (Isaiah 42:8; Luke 1:31) When the Christian martyr Stephen was given a miraculous heavenly vision, he saw only two persons, not three. The Bible says: “He, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand.” (Acts 7:55) The holy spirit was God’s power in action, enabling Stephen to see the vision.
Misconceptions about the holy spirit
Misconception: The “Holy Ghost,” or holy spirit, is a person and is part of the Trinity, as stated at 1 John 5:7, 8 in the King James version of the Bible.
Fact: The King James version of the Bible includes at 1 John 5:7, 8 the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth.”
However, researchers have found that those words were not written by the apostle John and so do not belong in the Bible. Professor Bruce M. Metzger wrote: “That these words are spurious and have no right to stand in the New Testament is certain.”—A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament.
Misconception: The Bible personifies the holy spirit, and this proves that it is a person.
Fact: The Scriptures do at times personify the holy spirit, but this does not prove that the holy spirit is a person. The Bible also personifies wisdom, death, and sin. (Proverbs 1:20; Romans 5:17, 21) For example, wisdom is said to have “works” and “children,” and sin is depicted as seducing, killing, and working out covetousness. Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:35; Romans 7:8, 11.
Similarly, when the apostle John quoted Jesus, he personified the holy spirit as a “helper” (paraclete) that would give evidence, guide, speak, hear, declare, glorify, and receive. He used masculine personal pronouns such as “he” or “him” when referring to that “helper.” (John 16:7-15) However, he did so because the Greek word for “helper” (pa·raʹkle·tos) is a masculine noun and requires a masculine pronoun according to the rules of Greek grammar. When John referred to the holy spirit using the neuter noun pneuʹma, he used the genderless pronoun “it.”—John 14:16, 17.
Fact: The Bible sometimes uses “name” to stand for power or authority. (Deuteronomy 18:5, 19-22; Esther 8:10) This is similar to its use in the English expression “in the name of the law,” which does not mean that the law is a person. A person who is baptized “in the name of” the holy spirit recognizes the power and role of the holy spirit in accomplishing God’s will.—Matthew 28:19.
Misconception: Jesus’ apostles and other early disciples believed that the holy spirit was a person.
Fact: The Bible does not say that, nor does history. The Encyclopædia Britannica states: “The definition that the Holy Spirit was a distinct divine Person . . . came at the Council of Constantinople in ad 381.” This was over 250 years after the last of the apostles had died.
So not only did this belief of the holy spirit being a part of the 3 headed trinity belief some 300 years after Jesus and the apostles died, other pagan based beliefs came along and were all allowed into the church beliefs. This all happened exactly as was foretold.....
@galveston75 saidWhen I have time I will read it, thank you for taking the time.
@KellyJay
Sorry for the long post. But if you ask me a question I'm only going to do it the way that I know to explain it. If you want to learn what we believe the Bible, God's word says which is the truth, right?, you just have to take the chance you might learn something you didn't know. You don't know it all, right?
If you don't want my answers, don't ask questions ...[text shortened]... e along and were all allowed into the church beliefs. This all happened exactly as was foretold.....
@galveston75 saidJesus is the living Word.
Jesus is called a mediator. So he speaks God's words to us. Ambassador: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ambassador
[Hebrews 4:12 NKJV]
12 For the word of God [is] living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
"According to the Bible, Jesus Christ is the Living Word of God. This idea is central to the first chapter of John's Gospel, which states that Jesus existed as the Word of God in the beginning, and that all things in the universe came into being through him. The Bible also says that Jesus is the fullest expression of who God is, and that he came to reveal God to humans and redeem those who believe in him.
Some say that Jesus is the foundation of the Bible, and that he speaks to people through the Bible, his creation, prayer, and other circumstances. Others say that Jesus is the unique and final Word of God, and that people can get to God by going to Jesus."
https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/17480/Jesus-as-Living-Word-God.htm#:~:text=Jesus%20states%20in%20John%206,the%20living%20Word%20of%20God.
@KingDavid403
Yes he is the "word" of God. You really don't understand what that means do you?
Jesus is also called the spokesman, the image, an ambassador, among other things that the Bible says.
Lets try this. When the president of a country wants some news, ideas, communications sent in person to the ruler of another country to be done face to face with that person. But he can't go himself.
Who would he no doubt send? Maybe some one who can represent him??????
Think on this and think about all those scriptures that you think means that Jesus is also God Almighty...............................
Is Jesus Almighty God?
Common answers:
▪ “Yes, Jesus is God Almighty.”
▪ “Jesus was the manifestation of God in the flesh.”
What did Jesus say?
▪ “If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Jesus acknowledged that he and his Father are not equals.
▪ “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.” (John 20:17) Jesus did not speak of himself as God but spoke of God as a separate Person.
▪ “I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak.” (John 12:49) Jesus’ teachings did not come from him; they came from the Father.
JESUS claimed to be the Son of God, not Almighty God. If Jesus were God, to whom was he praying while here on earth? (Matthew 14:23; 26:26-29) Surely Jesus was not just pretending to talk to someone else!
When two of Jesus’ disciples asked him for special positions in his Kingdom, he answered: “This sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.” (Matthew 20:23) Was Jesus telling them a lie when he stated that he did not have the authority to grant their request? Hardly! Rather, he humbly acknowledged that only God has the authority to make such decisions. Jesus even explained that there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that were known only by his Father.—Mark 13:32.
Was Jesus lower than God only while he was a man here on earth? No. Even after his death and resurrection, Jesus is described in the Bible as being subordinate to God. The apostle Paul reminds us that “God is supreme over Christ.” (1 Corinthians 11:3, Today’s English Version) The Bible says that in the future “when all things have been placed under Christ’s rule, then he himself, the Son, will place himself under God, who placed all things under him; and God will rule completely over all.”—1 Corinthians 15:28, TEV.
Clearly, Jesus is not God Almighty. That is why he spoke of his Father as “my God.”—Revelation 3:2, 12; 2 Corinthians 1:3, 4. *
Also the bible speaks of a time in the future when Jesus will hand the "keys of the Kingdom back to his Father".
After Jesus completes the task of restoring his Fathers Kingdom in the future, what will Jesus be asked to do after that????????
What is all this saying and showing? Any thoughts?
@galveston75 saidYou really don't understand what that means do you?
@KingDavid403
Yes he is the "word" of God. You really don't understand what that means do you?
Jesus is also called the spokesman, the image, an ambassador, among other things that the Bible says.
Lets try this. When the president of a country wants some news, ideas, communications sent in person to the ruler of another country to be done face to face with tha ...[text shortened]... those scriptures that you think means that Jesus is also God Almighty...............................
Yes I do; however, you clearly do not. As Ghost of A Duke has clearly pointed out, Jehovah's Witnesses have been wrong about everyone of their supposed prophesies; meaning that they are nothing but false teachers led by false prophets.
End of a true story.
@galveston75 saidThe actual Bible or your Bible?
@KingDavid403
Well what does the bible say? That is our guide and it tells us very clearly who to pray too..... Jesus also told us. ?????
@galveston75 saidMissing the point, as usual.
Oh my..... Amazing how you use all the scriptures and you don't even realize they all contradict what you think they say....
You know why? The light has not become brighter in understanding them. Why not?
John 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. ( Yes he is. His flesh was represented at the evening meal with bread that he broke. ) So what is y ...[text shortened]... nches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
@galveston75 saidAt a glance, I have not read totally what you have written but I noticed you are calling the Holy Spirit a force, He is a person, not a cosmic force for God, you are treating him like a Star Wars character.
@KellyJay
Sorry for the long post. But if you ask me a question I'm only going to do it the way that I know to explain it. If you want to learn what we believe the Bible, God's word says which is the truth, right?, you just have to take the chance you might learn something you didn't know. You don't know it all, right?
If you don't want my answers, don't ask questions ...[text shortened]... e along and were all allowed into the church beliefs. This all happened exactly as was foretold.....
@KellyJay
No we are not making it anything it's not. You have to go back to see the words used and what they meant when they were pinned. We did not tell the references used in the encyclopedias that we did not write or influence in anyway.
If you found some kind of a book, not the bible, that was written hundreds or even thousands of years ago and had words or expressions in it that you didn't clearly understand, what would be the thing to do? Just nothing and make those words fit what you think it says? What if those words were some kind of directions on finding something valuable that was in a dangerous part of the world?
You would certainly do all the research on every word to get all that is said in it right, because just possibly your life may hinge on it all being right.
So with what is outside of the JW world says on such words like "spirit" in the Bible with the word "Holy Spirit" says it is a force, not a being of some kind, and then with proof that the pagan trinity doctrine was in fact adopted by the later supposed Christian church..........then one would should come to the conclusion that something accepted by most Christian churches of today is wrong. Again this was told by Jesus himself that this would happen.............................
@galveston75 saidYou need to read the scriptures a little more carefully and not worry about other sources that tell you what to think.
@KellyJay
No we are not making it anything it's not. You have to go back to see the words used and what they meant when they were pinned. We did not tell the references used in the encyclopedias that we did not write or influence in anyway.
If you found some kind of a book, not the bible, that was written hundreds or even thousands of years ago and had words or expr ...[text shortened]... y is wrong. Again this was told by Jesus himself that this would happen.............................
