@Rajk999 saidI usually use the KJV but any decent version will do as long as the meaning is not destroyed.
I usually use the KJV but any decent version will do as long as the meaning is not destroyed. My first and last sentences is the end result of years of Galveston talking the same nonsense. According to the JWs, only those who call God by the right name, will be saved.
Same here.
However, most modern English translations have been changed over last 50 years. Any translation published by Tyndale has been changed from the original Greek and Hebrew texts..
My first and last sentences is the end result of years of Galveston talking the same nonsense. According to the JWs, only those who call God by the right name, will be saved.
I understand. However, none of us has it absolutely right when following or worshipping God and His teachings. That's why scriptures are clear that We ALL are only saved by God's Grace threw Jesus a.k.a. God. I've found that most people have different beliefs; especially among Christian sects. Same as here in this thread.
I personally am a oneness believer. One God, One Lord, One Savior, One Baptism. God is Spirit; that's scripture. How is spirit divided? The Three are ONE. 🙂
@KellyJay
I don't have time to go around and around this with you. If you want more info go to JW.ORG.
I'll say this.... Most of what you say is correct. And yes Jesus has been given the opportunity to accomplish what his Father Jehovah has asked of him. Jesus has done his fathers will to the utmost degree.
Because of that he has been given a very special thing to do for us all. BUT the bible says we have to worship Jehovah (Never Jesus) with spirit and TRUTH. If you are not doing this with TRUTH, you are missing the point.
@KingDavid403 HI. Thanks for your comments. Just have a question for anyone here and that is the 3rd one mentioned all through the bible besides the Father Jehovah, Jesus his son and the holy spirit. Who are what is the holy spirit?
@galveston75 saidWho are what is the holy spirit?
@KingDavid403 HI. Thanks for your comments. Just have a question for anyone here and that is the 3rd one mentioned all through the bible besides the Father Jehovah, Jesus his son and the holy spirit. Who are what is the holy spirit?
God. God the Father. Jesus, Fully God in the flesh as the Son of God, filled fully with God's Holy Spirit.
Thanks for sharing.
@KingDavid403 saidHummm. Not really clear on that. So the Holy Spirit is (1) God and (2) God the Father, and (3) it's in flesh and (4) it's fully filled with God's holy spirit???
Who are what is the holy spirit?
God. God the Father. Jesus, Fully God in the flesh as the Son of God, filled fully with God's Holy Spirit.
Thanks for sharing.
But God the Father is already a spirit, right? He has never been in a fleshly state because the Bible says that" no man may see God and live". Right?
No where in the Bible has anyone ever seen the Holy Spirit? Right?
Of the three of these subjects the only one humans have seen is Jesus. Right?
So just trying to set a bases to see who God is, that's all.
@galveston75 saidOf the three of these subjects the only one humans have seen is Jesus. Right?
Hummm. Not really clear on that. So the Holy Spirit is (1) God and (2) God the Father, and (3) it's in flesh and (4) it's fully filled with God's holy spirit???
But God the Father is already a spirit, right? He has never been in a fleshly state because the Bible says that" no man may see God and live". Right?
No where in the Bible has anyone ever seen the Holy Spiri ...[text shortened]... one humans have seen is Jesus. Right?
So just trying to set a bases to see who God is, that's all.
So just trying to set a bases to see who God is, that's all.
[John 14:7-11 NKJV]
7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." 8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." 9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own [authority]; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 "Believe Me that I [am] in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
@KingDavid403
Great scripture. And on the surface most would agree with you. But one has to take in all the bible and what God had written in it and with the other things that were said by Jesus himself.
As I said earlier the scripture that says that" no man may see god and live" would be one to question. But yet many, many humans saw Jesus in person.
Jesus was called an "ambassador" between himself and his Father.
If Jesus were actually his Father, then why the need to be a spokesman so to say between himself and Jehovah and as well as humans? Plus Jesus never once said "he is God".
Who do we pray through when we pray to God, Jesus's Father? Why not just pray to Jesus directly if he is also the Father?
Jesus prayed to Jehovah for strength when he knew he was going to die. If he is God, just pray to himself? Why did he not have the power of God?
The point here is yes Jesus was an exact representative of his Father in every way. He even said that himself. Why would it be any other way?
Finally the Bible explains that as a reward to his faithfulness to his Father for what Jesus did for us, the scriptures picture Jesus sitting at the right hand of God in heaven. That is a great reward is it not? But sitting at the right hand of someway is a subordinate position is it not? It is a great position, but he is not on the throne of Jehovah that he sits.
A side question...where is the holy spirit? Where does it sit?
@galveston75 saidI agree to disagree. One cannot just pick and choose which scriptures they want to believe and throw the rest away. God is One. Scriptures tell us that dozens of times. Nothing written about three gods or a trinity.
@KingDavid403
Great scripture. And on the surface most would agree with you. But one has to take in all the bible and what God had written in it and with the other things that were said by Jesus himself.
As I said earlier the scripture that says that" no man may see god and live" would be one to question. But yet many, many humans saw Jesus in person.
Jesus was c ...[text shortened]... the throne of Jehovah that he sits.
A side question...where is the holy spirit? Where does it sit?
BTW, I pray to Jesus; along with all the Christians that I know. Except some trinitarians that I know.
As I said earlier the scripture that says that" no man may see god and live" would be one to question. But yet many, many humans saw Jesus in person.
You're talking Old Testament scriptures before Jesus came in the flesh to save us. We know that one in the flesh cannot see Spirit; unless dead. However, one in the flesh can see Spirit in the flesh; as Jesus. Jesus was talking about seeing Him Spiritually either way.
@galveston75 saidThen don’t start up about how important Jehovah’s name is, obviously it is not that important to you! It is not so important that you will defend your views and layout the scriptures in such a way that you don’t have to add or take away from the text to get them to support your beliefs.
@KellyJay
I don't have time to go around and around this with you. If you want more info go to JW.ORG.
I'll say this.... Most of what you say is correct. And yes Jesus has been given the opportunity to accomplish what his Father Jehovah has asked of him. Jesus has done his fathers will to the utmost degree.
Because of that he has been given a very special thing t ...[text shortened]... Never Jesus) with spirit and TRUTH. If you are not doing this with TRUTH, you are missing the point.
I have no problem with defending that Jesus is the Son of God, the Word of God. the Son of man. I would make time for Him.
@KellyJay
Jehovah is the most important spirit being in all of history. Without him and his creating all that we know, there would be nothing, not even his son Jesus.
But he does exist and he is someone that every human should be bowing down to every day.
What his existence was before he first created his son, we have no idea. It seems at this time in our existence he has not given us that information and he may never give that too us. But the bible says he has always been.
But at some time eons ago he wanted to create all that we see here on our planet and as far out as we can see in the night sky's. This he wanted to share with his first creation Jesus and he had his son help and assist with this.
So now we are here on this beautiful planet that was designed perfectly for us in the beginning. As much as we've managed to destroy it, Jehovah has promised in the Bible that he will stop this for our own good, will put Satan away and will eventually destroy him. The earth will be ours to live on in peace and finally Satan and all humans who do not want this will be gone forever.
All of this is in the Bible. But to understand it, we first have to get all the teachings down correctly. This is why Jehovah had them written down in the Bible. The Bible says to test the scriptures that we know. Make sure you have it right because according to prophecies in the Bible that we have to recognize now, some of the most important ones are quickly coming. They are in the Bible for a reason...,,
@galveston75 saidWhy do you bother writing at all if you are going to avoid those questions I asked you, or ever as a matter of being fair tell me specifically why my answers were errors instead of implying so without details? Saying nothing and going away moves the needle in this discussion as much as your last.
@KellyJay
Jehovah is the most important spirit being in all of history. Without him and his creating all that we know, there would be nothing, not even his son Jesus.
But he does exist and he is someone that every human should be bowing down to every day.
What his existence was before he first created his son, we have no idea. It seems at this time in our existe ...[text shortened]... ize now, some of the most important ones are quickly coming. They are in the Bible for a reason...,,
@galveston75 saidProper names are a big deal, but they are not the same thing as titles though both can signify who we are talking about, only one person at a time holds the office of the American President, even though that may be a bad example these days. The King of the Universe, the Ever-Lasting one, Creator, and Lord are titles and we know who it is we are talking about, You are turning Jehovah into a proper name that we must put above all others is not scripturally sound, and without a doubt the whole of the New Testament stands in stark contrast to that notion.
@KellyJay
Jehovah is the most important spirit being in all of history. Without him and his creating all that we know, there would be nothing, not even his son Jesus.
But he does exist and he is someone that every human should be bowing down to every day.
What his existence was before he first created his son, we have no idea. It seems at this time in our existe ...[text shortened]... ize now, some of the most important ones are quickly coming. They are in the Bible for a reason...,,
From Acts 4:
Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: “Rulers and elders of the people! If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a man who was lame and are being asked how he was healed, then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. Jesus is
“‘the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the cornerstone.’
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”
@KellyJay said[Psalms 139:16 NKJV] 16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When [as yet there were] none of them.
https://www.the-scientist.com/the-first-two-cells-in-a-human-embryo-contribute-disproportionately-to-fetal-development-71841
A lot of information driving this.