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Originally posted by checkbaiterCorrect, checkbaiter. The Adamic Sin Nature is genetically passed down through the male sperm. The Holy Spirit, alone, was supernaturally responsible for Mary's Pregnancy. Therefore, she gave birth to an uncontaminated fetus. The Humanity of Christ is Unique in that His Person was Perfect Humanity and Undiminished Deity in One Person Forever. During His Life on Earth, He voluntarily set aside His Divine Omnipotence (Doctrine of Kenosis). The physical pain suffered during the imprisoment and physical death was nothing compared to His Substitutionary Spiritual Death (separation from God, the Father and Holy Spirit for six hours prior to physical death by execution). He 'Tasted Spiritual Death' in our place to satisfy Divine Justice (Propitiation), so that Salvation through Faith Alone in Christ Alone could be offered as a Free (Grace) Gift to all men.
You do err...Mary had a sin nature, Jesus did not. Mary simply trusted and obeyed.
Google: http://www.godvine.com/bible/John/3-16
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWhy not just keep things simple and tell people you are Napoleon?
Correct, checkbaiter. The Adamic Sin Nature is genetically passed down through the male sperm. The Holy Spirit, alone, was supernaturally responsible for Mary's Pregnancy. Therefore, she gave birth to an uncontaminated fetus. The Humanity of Christ is Unique in that His Person was Perfect Humanity and Undiminished Deity in One Person Forever. During His ...[text shortened]... fered as a Free (Grace) Gift to all men.
Google: http://www.godvine.com/bible/John/3-16
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That is possibly one of the craziest bunch of words I have ever seen hanging around together in one paragraph.
Originally posted by kevcvs57Human Beings who have Rejected God's Offer remain Spiritually Brain Dead,
Why not just keep things simple and tell people you are Napoleon?
That is possibly one of the craziest bunch of words I have ever seen hanging around together in one paragraph.
a condition in which the individual is unable to comprehend Absolute Truth.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYeah fair enough, sounds like yet another Christian circular argument though, i.e you do not believe in my god, because you cannot believe in my god, because you do not believe in my god.... tell me when you want to jump off this 'Magic Roundabout'.
Human Beings who have Rejected God's Offer remain Spiritually Brain Dead,
a condition in which the individual is unable to comprehend Absolute Truth.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIf all these superstitious assertions and self-sanctifying capital letters help you somehow come to terms with the fact that you are going to die, like we all do, and help you conjure up vicarious "meaning" in the meantime, then good for you. But you've described how you have close friends who are uninterested in your claims that they are "Spiritually Brain Dead" [assuming you used the same tack with them], so you'll not be surprised to find there are people here who are equally unaffected - spiritually or intellectually - by your attempted browbeating. 🙂
Human Beings who have Rejected God's Offer remain Spiritually Brain Dead,
a condition in which the individual is unable to comprehend Absolute Truth.
Originally posted by checkbaiterDo you believe in the power of prayer?
I believe miracles are performed every day somewhere. I have seen some myself, experienced some myself, and I hear of many from others.
If you prayed that God will change Suzianne's beliefs on the issue of modern miracles, do you trust that He will do that? Or do you say that God is such a gentleman that He will not force His thoughts on her?
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Originally posted by FMFAnd yet, I grew up with no Mother, an Atheist and Occultist Father, and a Pagan for a brother whom I looked up to. I spent my first 37 years staunchly Agnostic, with neither respect nor admiration for any Christian whatsoever.
I don't think there's much doubt that I ended up a Christian because of geography, culture, community, family..
I'm living proof that anyone can transform.
Of course, I don't expect anyone outside the Family to believe much of anything I say, so, whatever.
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Originally posted by sumydidOf course, individuals can have experiences that are not the same as the common experience of their compatriots or families etc. But there are reasons why most people in Ireland are Catholics, most people in Indonesia are Muslims, and most people in Thailand are Buddhists etc.
And yet, I grew up with no Mother, an Atheist and Occultist Father, and a Pagan for a brother whom I looked up to. I spent my first 37 years staunchly Agnostic, with neither respect nor admiration for any Christian whatsoever.
Originally posted by Paul Dirac IIOf all the words I would use to describe God, "gentleman" isn't one of them. As Christians, we are drawn to pray -- we can't help it. And we are told to pray. But the conundrum is, as Jesus said in the bible, what we pray for has already been settled; we are told to pray by giving thanks for the result we desire. In other words, what we desire is already done, IF it's in sync with the plan that has already been laid out.
Do you believe in the power of prayer?
If you prayed that God will change Suzianne's beliefs on the issue of modern miracles, do you trust that He will do that? Or do you say that God is such a gentleman that He will not force His thoughts on her?
I've felt it before and it's indescribable. When I pray and I am under the power of the Holy Spirit, I find that I'm not asking or begging or pleading for anything, but instead I'm already strongly sensing, even SEEING with my mind's eye, that the outcome I desire is already set in motion.
The thing is, I (we) cannot control when the Holy Spirit comes upon us, so we can't just pray for anything we want, pretend that we are under the power of the Spirit, and get all the things we wish for.
I can count on 1 hand the number of times I've prayed while heavily under the power of the Holy Spirit, and I can also attest that in each case, exactly what I prayed for occurred, in the exact detail I prayed for it.