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That is not an example.

As josephw pointed out, God warned them and they chose to follow. They chose!!

God told Jonah where to go, Jonah chose NOT to go.


@josephw said
Try to be a bit more flexible with regards to the conversation.

Interesting though is your admission that one can make "bad decisions" with "consequences" yet deny accountability to your maker.

Your "shtick" hasn't changed much either.
Topic changes and sidebars are fine, but you ought to make them a bit more interesting.

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Be specific.

That way you can hone you derogatory remarks with precision.

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@bigdogg said
Topic changes and sidebars are fine, but you ought to make them a bit more interesting.
What is more "interesting" than receiving forgiveness for a lifetime of poor decision making, the consequences of which results in death?

After all this is a forum discussion related to matters spiritual and the hereafter.

If you don't want to hear about those matters, but deride them and those that express a different view instead, then perhaps you should not post here.

If you think you can achieve immortality in another way, then saying so would be more interesting than hearing the same old naysaying.


@josephw said
What is more "interesting" than receiving forgiveness for a lifetime of poor decision making, the consequences of which results in death?
In the case of this particular thread, "free will", as teed-up up by this OP, is more interesting than your generic proselytising.


@fmf said
In the case of this particular thread, "free will", as teed-up up by this OP, is more interesting than your generic proselytising.
Your opinion isn't the topic of this thread either.

And in case you didn't notice I didn't reply to the OP, but instead to statements made by contributors to this thread.

But by all means be as staunch as you will.

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@josephw said
Your opinion isn't the topic of this thread either.

And in case you didn't notice I didn't reply to the OP, but instead to statements made by contributors to this thread.

But by all means be as staunch as you will.
The point is, BigDogg is right.

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@bigdogg said
Topic changes and sidebars are fine, but you ought to make them a bit more interesting.
So are you saying Russ has implemented forum code for sidebars? Do tell!


@chaney3 said
I don't know how the Bible addresses the issue of free will, but my understanding is that we are all given the choice to do either good or bad with that choice. God, of course, wants us to choose good.

But.....if we choose to do bad, and our actions will harm an innocent person, how can God stop it? If He stops it, then by default He has impeded upon our choice.

(I coul ...[text shortened]... man's choice to protect another, but let another man commit evil and hurt someone using his choice)
RE: "God, of course, wants us to choose good." How do you know that, and based on what evidence?

What if God is in the unfortunate (for all sentients in creation) position of being the Prime Ego (and how!) ?

Wouldn't it be more likely that such a cosmic ego-tripping God would hope that we would do evil for the sake of increasing His control over us?


@josephw said
What is more "interesting" than receiving forgiveness for a lifetime of poor decision making, the consequences of which results in death?

After all this is a forum discussion related to matters spiritual and the hereafter.

If you don't want to hear about those matters, but deride them and those that express a different view instead, then perhaps you should not post here ...[text shortened]... tality in another way, then saying so would be more interesting than hearing the same old naysaying.
Counter proposal: if you can't handle a little derision, then you stop posting here.

I want to point out the blaring false equivalency that we both use 'shticks'. In this thread, I was following a very specific line of thought in which it was stipulated that god exists. That's way more than you can manage. Temporarily assuming a belief you don't actually hold?! Donald Trump might as well turn Democrat.

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@kevin-eleven said
RE: "God, of course, wants us to choose good." How do you know that, and based on what evidence?
We know that because it is written so. That is the evidence, and it's all one needs.

As responders we choose to believe it or not.