Originally posted by robbie carrobie
We do not deny the father and the son, you do, you want to make the father the son and the son the father, if that's not a denial, then i dont know what is. We do not deny the father and the son. You have made the son equal to the father and the father equal to the son, in a direct violation of Christian teaching, for it contradicts the words of the ...[text shortened]... ah the Almighty is our father, his son, Jesus Christ our King, and it is beautiful in our eyes!
We do not deny the father and the son, you do, you want to make the father the son and the son the father, if that's not a denial, then i dont know what is.
In making Jesus Christ God's angel Michael, the Jehovah's Witnesses are denying the Father and the Son.
You are affirming, Jehovah and one of His angels.
We do not deny the father and the son. You have made the son equal to the father and the father equal to the son, in a direct violation of Christian teaching, for it contradicts the words of the Christ himself.
Only in selecting
certain words and twisting others do you make this charge. Seletively, you emphasize only
the words that support your Arian Christology.
And it was rightfully rejected by the Christian brothers centries ago. Charles Russell re-packaged the old Arian heresies and today the rehash is called "The Jehovah's Witnesses"
Our Christian brothers, whatever else were their weaknesses and mistakes, were right to reject the false Christology of Arius.
You labor to replace "the Father and the Son"
with Jehovah of the Old Testament and one of His angels. You are rebelling and fighting against the New Testament. And the ancient brothers were absolutely right, whatever else were their failures, to recognize the heretical nature of the Arian attack against the Triune God.
They had experience and enjoyment of God. We can detect no difference
in our subjective experience, between Jesus Christ and God.
In the intellect we find it a mystery. The Bible
, not me, said "mystery"
- "the mystery of God, Christ " (Col.2:2; comp. 4:3)
Do you have the angel Michael living in you ? Where does the Bible tell you that Michael the angel comes with Jehovah to make an abode with you?
But to those who do not deny the Father and the Son, the Son with the Father, as the divine "We"
will come and make an abode with the lovers of Christ (John 14:23)
In replacing the Son with Michael the angel, you cannot have the receiving of the Holy Spirit. You cannot have the receiving of Jesus. You have traded that for the sake of proud human intellect. You have traded the experience of the indwelling Triune God for an objective only God and His angel Michael.
It is easier on your mind. But it was not me but the Apostles who spoke of "the mystery of God, Christ" (Colossians 2:2)
does not mean we cannot know the Triune God inwardly and subjectively. It means that He is wonderful, full of wonder, and beyond our compete comprehension BUT
not beyond man's experience and enjoyment.
You have traded experience and enjoyment for the sake of wanting to make the proud human intellect feel more comfortable and a political hope in a kingdom.
This is all a deception.
Did i mention we do not deny the father and the son?
Watchtower rhetoric is misleading. Down at the bottom of the teaching, you go door to door to fight against the Three-one God of the Bible's revelation. And you labor to replace the biblical revelation with Russell's and Arius' God and a created angel.
Some of the things taught about Christmas, Easter, and pagan influence into Christiandom, are true. But the Jehovah's Witnesses are not the only bible teachers who recognize those things.
The Brethren and others saw through those pagan pollutions of the Christian faith. And some other Christians did and do as well. My observations are not about the true things the JWs do teach.
My criticism is your Christology and apparent lack of experience of receiving Christ. Instead of experience by faith you want to go back to law keeping of the Old Testament and have God and an angel as your focus.
We separated ourselves from mainstream Christianity because you are teaching falsehoods and practising paganism masquerading as Christianity and we take very seriously our relationship with our God not wishing to displease him in any way.
As said, others have seperated themselves from the Catholic ingestion of paganism to leaven the gospel. In that I do not criticize you.
In denying the Triune God I criticize Charles Russell and his Jehovah's Witnesses.
Now we have argued this before. I get nowhere with you and you're not going to convince me.
(2 Corinthians 6:17-18) . . .“‘Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take you in.’” “‘And I shall be a father to you, and you will be sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah the Almighty.”
You should do this AND
not try to change the Father and the Son to Jehovah and an angel.
It is always easier to deceive people when you MIX
truth and falsehood together. That is the dangerous problem.
Because there is some true things in the Jehovah's Witnesses teaching you get deceived by the lies that Satan has subtly mixed into the teaching. Some of us, by God's mercy, are able to discern the true things from the dangerous errors.
And you have been deceived, but not wholly so. You have taken in some false teachings mixed in with things which have much truth in them. Go ahead and reject Saturnalia and Mary worship and the 25th of December as the birthday of Jesus.
Don't mess with the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit as God.
You can talk about kingdom all you want. But you won't deceive this Jesus lover with making the Son of God Michael the angel.
Indeed, Jehovah the Almighty is our father, his son, Jesus Christ our King, and it is beautiful in our eyes!
BUT THAT THE WORD (GOD) BECAME FLESH, that is hideous in your eyes. Why? Because Satan HATES the incarnation of God as a man. The incarnation of God as a man is ugly in your eyes. Why ? So you have to make Christ the Son of God one of the created angels.