@sonship saidThe 12 steps.
@chaney3AA tells you that only God can help you get sober. Meaning that God takes an active role.
Can you quote me from some standard AA publication in which they state an official position that ONLY God can help an alcoholic sober?
I think you may be exaggerating.
Step 3 specifically.
@chaney3 said“Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.” In step three of AA you are making a decision: it's that simple.'
The 12 steps.
Step 3 specifically.
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12 Steps
1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol – that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
http://www.aa12steps.com/?page_id=38
What I read is a CONFESSIONAL - "WE turned our problem over to God ..."
I don't see any rule saying God is the only way for everyone with the same problem.
Your criticism was -
AA tells you that only God can help you get sober.
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Since no one else seems to be able to give you a reasonable explanation, I will.
Over the years I've known a couple of people in AA and we've spoken a bit about AA. First of all, it doesn't have anything to do with God taking an "active role" or for that matter anything to do with God per se. If your sponsor doesn't know this, perhaps you should ask for another sponsor who is more compatible. Sometimes a given individual only knows how they think of it.
The point is for you to find a "higher power" which is widely open to interpretation. The following excerpt should give you some idea:
Then, he must come to terms with the idea of seeking a higher power to help him live a better life. In Alcoholics Anonymous, the higher power doesn't have to be God, although many people interpret higher power to mean God. It can be anything outside of the alcoholic himself that inspires him. It can be the alcoholic's dream of who he wants to be, a favorite television character he admires or even something intangible like his children's love and admiration. As long as the higher power inspires the alcoholic to live better and he feels he can trust it, it's acceptable. Then and only then can the alcoholic turn over his will and life to the care of this higher power.
https://www.alcohol.org/alcoholics-anonymous/step-3/
You should go to the link and read the page in its entirety to get an even better idea.
For that matter you should probably go over the overview at that site along with the details for each step at the links on the right hand side.
https://www.alcohol.org/alcoholics-anonymous/
Of course GoaD was worthless as usual. Have to wonder about his competency at his purported line of work.
@thinkofone saidScary to think that GOAD is what passes for psychological help in todays world. Yikes!!
Since no one else seems to be able to give you a reasonable explanation, I will.
Over the years I've known a couple of people in AA and we've spoken a bit about AA. First of all, it doesn't have anything to do with God taking an "active role" or for that matter anything to do with God per se. If your sponsor doesn't know this, perhaps you should ask for another sponsor ...[text shortened]... urse GoaD was worthless as usual. Have to wonder about his competency at his purported line of work.
Basically the ones in control like you to focus on anything but the real causes for the lack of spirituality in one's life.
People are the things you must regulate in your life. Period.
Understand human psychology and the nature of human beings. Remove all those from your life who dont live upto the standards of the ten commandments.
@thinkofone saidWhat are you babbling about?!
Since no one else seems to be able to give you a reasonable explanation, I will.
Over the years I've known a couple of people in AA and we've spoken a bit about AA. First of all, it doesn't have anything to do with God taking an "active role" or for that matter anything to do with God per se. If your sponsor doesn't know this, perhaps you should ask for another sponsor ...[text shortened]... urse GoaD was worthless as usual. Have to wonder about his competency at his purported line of work.
Chaney referenced step 3 in AA and I simply pasted that step into the thread. That's the only post I've made here.
But yes, I am very good at the work I do. I'm sure you're similarly adept at keeping those drains free of blockages.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidChaney referenced step 3 in AA and I simply pasted that step into the thread. That's the only post I've made here.
What are you babbling about?!
Chaney referenced step 3 in AA and I simply pasted that step into the thread. That's the only post I've made here.
But yes, I am very good at the work I do. I'm sure you're similarly adept at keeping those drains free of blockages.
Exactly. Your post was not at all helpful for C3. It was worthless.
But yes, I am very good at the work I do.
No doubt you imagine you are. As you way oversold your knowledge of Christianity and spirituality in general, you've way oversold whatever role you may have in your purported line of work. Hard to imagine your contribution would be much more than that of a glorified administrative assistant.