Originally posted by ahosyneyYou just don't seem to be getting it.
I think we should define the universe.
The universe is composed of everything so how it is created like everything else.
And I asked you did the universe created you? If you belive you are a creature who did it?
There is no reason to believe the universe was necessarily created.
I suppose the universe did create me in a sense, but not like you think, it didn't just go mmmmmmmmStarrman!! Instead, I am one of the many and temporary products of its energy fluctuations; a stage in its development if you will. I am made up of millions of particles, one or two of which may have once been part of a distant star, others could once have been in the beard of Genghis Khan, who knows? But none of this points to whether the universe was created or not.
If we just say the universe has always existed, all we are doing is saying there was no beginning. You apply the same thing to your god, why not to the universe?
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Originally posted by StarrmanNo there is a reason to belive that the universe is created. Or it least it was not there from the begining. It is scince. There is a reason for scintest to belive that the universe is formulated from an explotion of some mass. I think it is called the Big Bang.
You just don't seem to be getting it.
There is no reason to believe the universe was necessarily created.
I suppose the universe did create me in a sense, but not like you think, it didn't just go mmmmmmmmStarrman!! Instead, I am one of the many and temporary products of its energy fluctuations; a stage in its development if you will. I am made up o ...[text shortened]... saying there was no beginning. You apply the same thing to your god, why not to the universe?
So there is another stronger force cased the universe to be formed. I think it is a form of creation. So wheather you are created as a part of the universe or as individual creature, there a more stronger being other than the universe which created you both. So what do you call this being.
Originally posted by ahosyneyI'm afraid I don't have the time to give you the education you lack on matters of science. Yes, one theory is that the big bang happened and this threw out all the matter of the universe, but this still doesn't mean there was a creator, nor does it mean that this was the creation of the universe. Some scientists adhere to a bubble theory of the universe, where it is forever expanding and contracting from big-bang to big-bang and onwards for eternity.
No there is a reason to belive that the universe is created. Or it least it was not there from the begining. It is scince. There is a reason for scintest to belive that the universe is formulated from an explotion of some mass. I think it is called the Big Bang.
So there is another stronger force cased the universe to be formed. I think it is a form of ...[text shortened]... e stronger being other than the universe which created you both. So what do you call this being.
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Originally posted by StarrmanBut I thought you just said that your decision has nothing to do with it.
We've been over this many times before. Something like a show of his power or presence which transcended the natural orderof things. In other words, something which could not otherwise be caused by the natural world.
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Originally posted by StarrmanSteady state?
I'm afraid I don't have the time to give you the education you lack on matters of science. Yes, one theory is that the big bang happened and this threw out all the matter of the universe, but this still doesn't mean there was a creator, nor does it mean that this was the creation of the universe. Some scientists adhere to a bubble theory of the universe, ...[text shortened]... e it is forever expanding and contracting from big-bang to big-bang and onwards for eternity.
Went out a long time ago. Steady state I think has been pretty much put aside as probable by modern cosmology.
Big Bang is the ruling theory these days.
Originally posted by shavixmir😵
This is what religious people always do.
They know their beliefs are dodgier than a 27 pound note, so what they do is try to redefine the meanings of words to such an extent that the bending, misforming, pulling, tugging and brutalising that they can mean anything with any outcome...and VOILA...God appears like a giant erection out of the mists of the nu ...[text shortened]... ing a bungy jump.
And voila. God no longer exists. He vanishes like a fart in a hurricane.
I love your way with words shavix. If only I had any recs left I'd hand it over.
LOL
Originally posted by StarrmanOh, that's pure poetry.
Instead, I am one of the many and temporary products of its energy fluctuations; a stage in its development if you will. I am made up of millions of particles, one or two of which may have once been part of a distant star, others could once have been in the beard of Genghis Khan, who knows?
:'(🙂
Beautiful.
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Originally posted by jaywillThe beauty of science over blind religion is that when evidence are
Big Bang is the ruling theory these days.
gathered the theories can be changed, whereas religious followers tend
to try and ignore the evidence for as long as possible, or adapt in a
metaphorical way. (The scripture was always right, we just didn't
understand it at the time because we read it wrong.)
Big Bang is just a theory among others and it has some credibility
according to academics well versed in these affairs, but it could very well
be altered again in the future. It might even revert back to a steady
state (get it?) if someone can explain within reason how come the
universe is still accelerating in its expansion.
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Originally posted by ahosyneyThe cause of the universe is beyond our understanding at the moment.
No there is a reason to belive that the universe is created. Or it least it was not there from the begining. It is scince. There is a reason for scintest to belive that the universe is formulated from an explotion of some mass. I think it is called the Big Bang.
So there is another stronger force cased the universe to be formed. I think it is a form of ...[text shortened]... e stronger being other than the universe which created you both. So what do you call this being.
Even if we could prove (which we can't) that there was only one Big Bang,
we can't conclude anything other than that there was one Big Bang. It
doesn't tell us if some concious being caused it or if it happened for
some other reason. So, asserting that there is a God or there isn't
is not possible other than through mind boggling speculation.
If you get more specific and talk about the Christian version of God
there is (in my opinion) reason to believe he doesn't exist. I think
as long as we're dealing with the mere possibility of a concious creator,
it's hard to argue this way or the other. But if someone steps up and
claim that not only is there a God, but here's a whole book of knowledge
about him, it has to be proven by means outside that book. I rarely see
this happen, so I have reason to believe he doesn't exist after all.
Addition: This of course, is just my opinion on the matter.
Originally posted by rwingettWell stated.
One doesn't need to know what an atheist is in order to be one. The very first humans, and their evolutionary predecessors, were incapable of conceptualizing a god. The human brain required a certain amount of evolutionary adaptation before it became capable of conceptualizing complicated abstract concepts such as 'god.' Therefore, the first humans were nec ...[text shortened]... d seemed just as plausible as any other method. But now we know better. Or we should, anyway.