Originally posted by Rajk999Let me just ask you this: How many times have you posted about the glory of God, or the love of God, or the ways that Christ coming into your life gave you life more abundantly?
From previous discussions I remember that it is you and your type of Christian that is mistaken about grace. Grace does not give a Christian the licence to continue on sinning after he has known of Christ.
I know this verse is hard to swallow but it is the Bible. Take it or leave it:
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and hav ...[text shortened]... 6 KJV)
There are many such passages which those like you would choose to ignore or twist.
Oh, right. Zero.
That wooshing sound is the entire point flying right over your head.
Originally posted by Rajk999
Grace does not give a Christian the licence to continue on sinning after he has known of Christ.
The reason why we have to come to God and confess that we cannot make it to keep His law is because it is the SEED that He plants within that is sinless.
We therefore have no confidence in ANYTHING except this Divine seed of divine life He plants into the man born of God.
"Everyone who has been begotten of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been begotten of God." (1 John 3:9)
Our only confidence can be in the divine SEED.
We should learn to have no confidence in the flesh - the fallen man.
" Lord Jesus, without you being my righteous living One moving within me, I cannot make it to live for God. Lord Jesus, You are the seed of life born into my being. Lord Jesus tackle this situation. Lord Jesus handle this situation. Lord Jesus live in me. Lord I certainly can sin and am prone to fall. You Lord Jesus cannot sin and You have overcome the world.
Live Your live within me Lord Jesus."
This kind of attitude and prayer releases Grace which is with the Christian's spirit. For the Lord is with his spirit. And the grace of the Lord is with his spirit.
It is to the SEED that we must give utmost HEED!
Originally posted by FMF...aaaaaannd there it is.
I can't remember you ever confronting any of the Christians here who do think that.
You and Rajk are the ONLY ones in this forum who think that any of the Christians here think that. And I can see why *you* would think that. What I can't understand is why Rajk thinks that. Not much love for his Christian brothers, eh?
Originally posted by josephwThats just playing with words. I use the expression 'licence to sin', and you all say 'not even God can take away my eternal life even though I sin over and over'. That is the height of arrogance by the way.
Do you honestly believe that I think grace is a license to sin?
If you do, then that is evidence of the profound and misguided understanding you have of what I know about grace.
No Christian believes they can continue in sin and get away with it. You are merely making an unfounded accusation which reveals the innate pessimism you hold in your heart to ...[text shortened]... r own brothers in Christ.
[b]"...you and your type of Christian..." That's pathetic Rajk.[/b]
According to Peter here is the end result of this type of Christian:
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. (2 Peter 2:20-21 KJV)
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Originally posted by FMFI see no hypocrisy. But your entire reason for being here depends on you maintaining that those you target are "hypocrites".
The hypocrisy is interesting nevertheless.
I wouldn't especially put much stock in what one Christian says in this forum when those who have abandoned Christ agree with him. No, I totally get *your* motivation. And why you support him. What I don't get, is his motivation.
Unless, of course, it's similar to yours.
Originally posted by SuzianneMy comment was not about Rajk999's theology at all ~ I am not a subscriber to either his or yours ~ it was, instead, about your (and josephw's) hypocrisy as you disagree with Rajk999 and his theology. You play the 'pretend-to-misunderstand-what-you're-being-criticized for' card far too often, Suzianne.
I see no hypocrisy. But your entire reason for being here depends on you maintaining that those you target are "hypocrites".
I wouldn't especially put much stock in what one Christian says in this forum when those who have abandoned Christ agree with him. No, I totally get *your* motivation. And why you support him. What I don't get, is his motivation.
Unless, of course, it's similar to yours.
Originally posted by FMFI'm not talking about theology (funny, I thought you could read and understand English). I'm talking about motivation (like I said). And it's quite clear, thanks very much.
My comment was not about Rajk999's theology at all ~ I am not a subscriber to either his or yours ~ it was, instead, about your (and josephw's) hypocrisy as you disagree with Rajk999 and his theology. You play the 'pretend-to-misunderstand-what-you're-being-criticized for' card far too often, Suzianne.
And no, you are the one who clearly doesn't understand the differences in motivation. Your label of "hypocrisy" is misguided, bland and meaningless. And all because you cannot understand (or perhaps you just don't care) why his position is wrong. No, I get why you're sticking your nose into this, it's because you smell blood in the water. But you're not doing your "pal" any favors by taking his side, just to get another opportunity to bad-mouth people. It's textbook FMF. Self-serving, as usual.
Originally posted by Rajk999"And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly." -- Matthew 26:75
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. (2 Peter 2:20-21 KJV)
Yes, the same Peter. Upon whom Christ built his church.