God is....

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne

While Jesus walked the Earth, He taught 'salvation through righteousness' (which requires that one become the embodiment of righteousness) rather than 'salvation by grace' (which requires "the idea that Jesus could pay for sins on behalf of others" of which TW spoke).

Ephesians 2: 8...

http://www.godvine.com/bible/Ephesians/2-8

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Ephesians 2: 8...

http://www.godvine.com/bible/Ephesians/2-8

(Please see commentary and notes)

And yet:

While Jesus walked the Earth, He taught 'salvation through righteousness' (which requires that one become the embodiment of righteousness) rather than 'salvation by grace' (which requires "the idea that Jesus could pay for sins on behalf of others" of which TW spoke).

Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus?

John 10:27-28
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Even God cannot undo the past. The greatest lie you Christians preach is that God can right a wrong. It is not possible. A wrong can never be righted, suffering can never be undone. Punishment does not make everything balance.
The idea that Jesus could pay for sins on behalf of others is at the heart of Christianity and is based on the same flawed logic. ...[text shortened]... That makes a compassionate God capable of intervening in such events incompatible with reality.

All you say here might be true if one considered this earthly realm somehow superior to Heaven.

Originally posted by Suzianne
All you say here might be true if one considered this earthly realm somehow superior to Heaven.

What I said is true regardless of whether or not one considers the earthly realm somehow superior to heaven.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne

And yet:

While Jesus walked the Earth, He taught 'salvation through righteousness' (which requires that one become the embodiment of righteousness) rather than 'salvation by grace' (which requires "the idea that Jesus could pay for sins on behalf of others" of which TW spoke).

Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus?

John eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

a) "Jesus taught that one is to become righteous..."(ThinkofOne, previous page post)

John 10:27-28
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and b) I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

c) "become" by their own human effort or b) receive the Grace Gift of "Eternal Life"?
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
a) "Jesus taught that [b]one is to become righteous..."(ThinkofOne, previous page post)

John 10:27-28
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and b) I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

c) "become" by their own human effort or b) receive the Grace Gift of "Eternal Life"?
.[/b]

Try to keep it all in context GB:

Jesus taught that one is to become righteous, i.e. the embodiment of truth, love, compassion, justice, etc. Jesus taught that righteousness, where one cannot continue to sin, is required for "eternal life" / "heaven" / "salvation".

While Jesus walked the Earth, He taught 'salvation through righteousness' (which requires that one become the embodiment of righteousness) rather than 'salvation by grace' (which requires "the idea that Jesus could pay for sins on behalf of others" of which TW spoke).

Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus?

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne

Try to keep it all in context GB:

Jesus taught that one is to become righteous, i.e. the embodiment of truth, love, compassion, justice, etc. Jesus taught that righteousness, where one cannot continue to sin, is required for "eternal life" / "heaven" / "salvation".

While Jesus walked the Earth, He taught 'salvation through righteousness' (which ...[text shortened]... TW spoke).

Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus?

The Issue is (and always has been) the Risen Christ,

who is our only Hope of Salvation and Eternal Life,

as the Apostle Paul taught nearly 2,000 Years Ago.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
The Issue is (and always has been) the Risen Christ,

who is our only Hope of Salvation and Eternal Life,

as the Apostle Paul taught nearly 2,000 Years Ago.

Exactly. Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus? Is the allure of cheap salvation so great that you don't care what foundation you build upon?

Luke 6
46 “Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? 47 “Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock; and when a flood occurred, the torrent burst against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built. 49 “But the one who has heard and has not acted accordingly, is like a man who built a house on the ground without any foundation; and the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great.”

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne

Exactly. Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus? Is the allure of cheap salvation so great that you don't care what foundation you build upon?

Luke 6
46 “Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? 47 “Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 he is like a man b ...[text shortened]... d the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great.”

... as the Apostle Paul taught nearly 2,000 Years Ago.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
... as the Apostle Paul taught nearly 2,000 Years Ago.

Which is the point you keep trying to avoid.

Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus? Is the allure of cheap salvation so great that you don't care what foundation you build upon?

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Which is the point you keep trying to avoid.

Why do you choose to follow Paul rather than Jesus? Is the allure of cheap salvation so great that you don't care what foundation you build upon?

Thank you.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Thank you.

Can't say as I'm all that surprised. From what I've seen, you'd be a rare Christian indeed if you were willing to walk in the light of truth.

John 12:35-36
So Jesus said to them, “For a little while longer the Light is among you. Walk while you have the Light, so that darkness will not overtake you; he who walks in the darkness does not know where he goes. 36 “While you have the Light, believe in the Light, so that you may become sons of Light.”

Originally posted by twhitehead
What I said is true regardless of whether or not one considers the earthly realm somehow superior to heaven.

According to the Holy Bible, God can erase our memories and give us new memories. How about that for righting a wrong? 😏

HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Originally posted by RJHinds
According to the Holy Bible, God can erase our memories and give us new memories. How about that for righting a wrong? 😏

HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Why don't you ask [your] god to wipe our memories so no one here remembers what an asshat you are.

Originally posted by KellyJay
We the devil believes in God, it isn't going to get him any mercy. If Jesus wasn't
Hitler's Lord and Savior he died in his sins and will pay for every deed and idle
word he spoke.
Kelly

If your god would forgive the likes of Hitler or Stalin then your religion is totally screwed up.😠