Originally posted by TetsujinAfter all, there is no compulsion in matters of faith.
Not that I'm in a hurry, but a comment would be nice. 🙂
Surah 2:256
A third would be those who received the message, understood it, found no flaw, and still rejected it.
Depending on what you mean by “found no flaw” (for example that the rejection would be a deliberate irrationality), this would seem to be a relatively small group.
I still don’t understand what you mean by “life is not important.” Life (living) is what I am doing right now: thinking, feeling, moving, loving my wife, sharing…hopefully living a flourishing, thriving life… If you mean not to take it as some kind of burden—not to turn it into such a “weighty” affair—I think I may agree with you.
"9But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. 11You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned."
Titus Chapter 3, verses 9 through 11 NIV
So I reflected on all this and concluded that the righteous and the wise and what they do are in God's hands, but no man knows whether love or hate awaits him.
Ecclesiastes Chapter 9, verse 1
13Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
Romans Chapter 9, verse...13.
Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."
Galatians " 3, " 11
13if we are faithless,
he will remain faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.
2 Timothy " 2, " 13
This is said for a one who believes God sent christ to save the souls of the earth from sin, and not for people who dont believe.
Originally posted by KnightWulfeHe took them for a picnic.
I cannot seem to get a straight answer on this from another thread, and since this is a specific issue as part of a greater one, I am addressing it in a new thread.
For all of the Christians here....
How do you explain God murdering thousands of innocent children? It was the last of the plagues visited upon Egypt when Moses was pleading to the Phar ...[text shortened]... rse than there has ever been or ever will be again."
That is nothing other than mass murder.
A pie,
On a mat,
On a cloud,
In the sky...
Now they sit,
Laughing together,
Smiles on their little faces,
Look it's a circus.
Who knows....i don't.
Originally posted by vistesd1] Uhh, yeah... I'm surprised you found that. 😲 I was reluctant to give the source since it often leads to unwanted opinions.
[b]After all, there is no compulsion in matters of faith.
Surah 2:256
A third would be those who received the message, understood it, found no flaw, and still rejected it.
If you mean not to take it as some kind of burden—not to turn it into such a “weighty” affair—I think I may agree with you.[/b]
2] That's generally what I meant. I can see a person's desire to preserve life, but that's not really something that can be achieved.
Im not advocating suicide or anything else here, I just think that people should relax about the issue of suicide however they feel about the presence, or lack, of a god (capital 'G' or otherwise).
Originally posted by TetsujinWell, I recognized the verse... 🙂 I had a pretty good idea from memory which “chapter” it came from, but had to look it up to be sure.
1] Uhh, yeah... I'm surprised you found that. 😲 I was reluctant to give the source since it often leads to unwanted [b]opinions.
2] That's generally what I meant. I can see a person's desire to preserve life, but that's not really something that can be achieved.
Im not advocating suicide or anything else here, I just think that people sho ...[text shortened]... of suicide however they feel about the presence, or lack, of a god (capital 'G' or otherwise).[/b]
I think we should learn to relax about a lot of such issues. The spiritual journey should not be a strain, full of tension and angst—neither for ourselves, nor should we inflict that on others. I thank you for reminding me of that.
Be well.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageThat seems to be the buzz word. 🙂
consensual 😲
BTW... what's with all of these recs? I have no idea where they are comming from, and I try to go back a check a few of my posts.
Are they even useful? It just misleads a person who might base the credibility of a person's point of view based on the amount of people who either agree with him/her or just find it amusing.
The general idea I get form this thread is that God can do whatever he wants. Simply because he's God. Who made him God? He did.
What if He's just an alien with technology far beyond ours?
What if He doesn't exist?
The religious people all stick to their position and refuse to think about it from our point of view. While non-religious people keep raising what-if questions.
Debates like this are never going to end. Believe what you want, but don't try to force it on other people (this adressed to everyone).
On another note. "God made the rules so he can break them." seems like a VERY lame excuse...
Originally posted by TheMaster371] Are you seriously trying to raise the issue of panspermia?
The general idea I get form this thread is that God can do whatever he wants. Simply because he's God. Who made him God? He did.
What if He's just an alien with technology far beyond ours?
What if He doesn't exist?
The religious people all stick to their position and refuse to think about it from our point of view. While non-religious people ...[text shortened]...
On another note. "God made the rules so he can break them." seems like a VERY lame excuse...
It just puts the question on another planet, adding one more step of confusion to the same question.
2] God's existence is not the debate in this thread
3] I've been in enough debates to know that both sides need to stop digging their heels further into the ground as it progresses. Perhaps not in this one, I honestly haven't read the whole thing, but I've seen both sides be just as narrow minded when delivering "facts".
But again, these really weren't the questions to be answered.
1] Are you seriously trying to raise the issue of panspermia?
Not seriously, was just a thought.
2] God's existence is not the debate in this thread
Well, from what I make of the arguments, it is. God exists, so He doesn't have to abide by any rules, so he can't murder.
The question "Did God murder?" is answered by religious people with: "No, because God is God."
3] I've seen both sides be just as narrow minded when delivering "facts".
Yup. But how long can both parties refrain from digging their heels in, if this whole debate is based on a belief?
Originally posted by KnightWulfeHow do you explain God murdering thousands of innocent children? It was the last of the plagues visited upon Egypt when Moses was pleading to the Pharoh to let the Israelites leave…That is nothing other than mass murder.
I cannot seem to get a straight answer on this from another thread, and since this is a specific issue as part of a greater one, I am addressing it in a new thread.
For all of the Christians here....
How do you explain God murdering thousands of innocent children? It was the last of the plagues visited upon Egypt when Moses was pleading to the ...[text shortened]... t—worse than there has ever been or ever will be again."
That is nothing other than mass murder.
People have been dying of diseases ever since Adam took the bite heard around the world. If this was mass murder, then God murders millions every year.
I don’t believe it was murder though. We all come from God, and we are all his whether we know it or like it. Is it not selfish to assume that a baby is ours? Is it not ignorant to assume that we made the baby? Is the baby not better off in Heaven with God at any rate? We don’t even realize who we are and we think we know everything.
To accept God as the highest power and authority, the creator of all life etc, etc, is to believe that he acts in this way all the time and is right to do so. God knows what those babies did in their last lives. He knows all kinds of things that we don’t. Maybe those babies were murders themselves at some point. Who can say?
Before we understand the ways of God, I think it’s premature to jump to conclusions. Often times we see only the tip of the iceberg. This is part of the meaning of all the “judge not” verses in my opinion.
Originally posted by The Chess ExpressI'm sorry from this it looks like you are saying you can kill your children as you made them.
[b]How do you explain God murdering thousands of innocent children? It was the last of the plagues visited upon Egypt when Moses was pleading to the Pharoh to let the Israelites leave…That is nothing other than mass murder.
People have been dying of diseases ever since Adam took the bite heard around the world. If this was mass murder, then ...[text shortened]... the tip of the iceberg. This is part of the meaning of all the “judge not” verses in my opinion.[/b]
Also does anyone else think the name of this thread make it sound like god has been murdered? Thats what i thought the first time I saw it