@sonship saidMy stance on this has not changed at all since the last half a dozen times you brought it up in order to dodge an ongoing line of questioning. Refer to those six or more conversations where I told exactly what my beliefs are. They are unchanged. Meanwhile, are you denying that you have claimed here that you are "becoming more like Jesus" and are you denying that you have claimed here that "jesus is flowing through" you?
Oh, while you are concerned about supernatural claims, you're going to take a stab at where the entire natural world came from without anything outside of the natural world to be its cause.
@sonship saidRefer to our detailed conversations about this, one of which I think was earlier this year. The beliefs and perspectives that I shared in posts addressed to you then have not altered since then. Are you not going to offer any evidence to back up the supernatural claims you make about yourself? Is that what this rehash/tangent is in aid of?
Do you believe in a natural world that existed from eternity ?
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what evidence do you have about the aforementioned supernatural claims you repeatedly make about yourself? Or are you still denying you have ever made them?
Somebody show me where I retracted my claim to have experienced John 7:39.
Save FMF from his accusing me of retracting my belief in the personal experience of the Spirit installed in me as in all those who believe in Christ.
Quick. Vindicate that I took it back.
Now FMF, for supernatural claims, your next post will not appeal to anything supernatural and give us your natural and materialistic explanation for what there is something rather than nothing at all.
Surely atheism has a better explanation then what I believe (Genesis 1:1).
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@sonship saidThere is no need for you to "trust" me. No need at all. I find the ideas that lead one to conclude that the NT is not an authentic biography of a real person called Christ more credible than your assertions that it is. It's my perspective. But you don't have to "trust" it.
So in other words we just take a blind leap of faith that you know the NT is not the authentic biography of Christ?
We all should just kind of "trust you" on that ??
@sonship saidYou have claimed that "Jesus is flowing through" you and that you are "becoming more like Jesus". You've been making these supernatural claims about yourself for years.
Save FMF from his accusing me of retracting my belief in the personal experience of the Spirit installed in me as in all those who believe in Christ.
But on page 10 of this thread you suddenly said this:
You have made specific and explicit claims about this "impact", this "flowing", this "becoming more like" him. Do you have any specific and explicit evidence to back your claims?
Are you denying that you have made such claims?
@sonship saidMy beliefs on this have not changed since the last time you brought it up to distract from what was being discussed and which you wanted to bail out of.
Now FMF, for supernatural claims, your next post will not appeal to anything supernatural and give us your natural and materialistic explanation for what there is something rather than nothing at all.
Are you denying that you have made such claims?
No, not at all.
I am not so foolish to believe your posture actually means you are objectively considering evidence.
What evidence do you have that I HAVE NOT experienced the Spirit flowing through me, as Jesus promised in John 7:39 ?
No one who experienced this would ever say a cross word to FMF ?
Is that your problem?
It couldn't be because you can find fault with my speaking over the last 10 some years? That's evidence that Jesus or me or both is wrong about " out of his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water." .
You looking for a humidifier perhaps to measure scientifically the moisture level or something?
I came to Him. I drank. And I noticed His presence is inner thirst quenching.
You have evidence that He is not?
"But this He spoke concerning the Spirit. For the Spirit was not yet because Jesus was not yet glorified."
You're going to have to work really hard for me to trade my experience for your disapproval as more reliable then Christ's promise.
My beliefs on this have not changed since the last time you brought it up to distract from what was being discussed and which you wanted to bail out of.
Don't like to change?
Was changing from Atheist to Deist a "no-no" to you ?
You're allowed to change your mind with me.
And there is no reason why YOUR self centeredness that you have to have YOUR hoops jumped through first should be a rule here. There's no law that your inquisitions always take precedence.
@sonship saidJust present your evidence that "Jesus is flowing through" you here and that you are "becoming more like Jesus" and see what happens.
I am not so foolish to believe your posture actually means you are objectively considering evidence.
Neither of us "objective" about any of this, so raising that as an objection is very weak.
You should remember sonship, I have known, loved and lived among countless Christians who demonstrated very clearly the impact on them of their belief in Jesus. You don't. That's why I am asking you to substantiate your claims about yourself.