Good sci-fi is about the present

@kellyjay said
It plays out in numerous ways, racial purity, did you get vaccinated, those X people are so lazy, good for nothing, and on and on. How do you say one is better than another when you compare survival of the fittest to nature nurture.

There are theist people like you ~ appealing to their own opinions about more or less the same "fixed direction" that you say your belief in supernatural causality gives you ~ on opposing sides of all these issues and many more besides.

You have your moral compass, KellyJay: make your way in the world with whatever personal opinions you have regarding racial purity, vaccinations and "lazy people".

That is what your fellow Christians do [even though they may disagree with you on many moral issues], that's what Muslims and Jews do, and Sikhs and Hindus... and that's what people Like me do too.

Use your compass. But don't expect people to always find your moral reasoning to be sound just because you are religious.

@fmf said
Yes, there are bad people in the world. If you would be unable to recognize that without your religious beliefs, then so be it.

How do you recognize the bad people? You have to judge what they do by some standard. You think everyone bad will be bad in every different standard everyone has; if not, is there a vote?

@fmf said
Each person must use their moral compass to evaluate the moral landscape ~ and the people in it ~ and decide what actions to take.

So even people you think are bad can really be good everywhere else?

@fmf said
There are theist people like you ~ appealing to their own opinions about more or less the same "fixed direction" that you say your belief in supernatural causality gives you ~ on opposing sides of all these issues and many more besides.

You have your moral compass, KellyJay: make your way in the world with whatever personal opinions you have regarding racial purity, vaccinati ...[text shortened]... don't expect people to always find your moral reasoning to be sound just because you are religious.

Unless there is a God over all, every standard, regardless of where it comes from, religion or lack of religion, is equally justified. With God, it boils down to Him, not us.

@kellyjay said
So even people you think are bad can really be good everywhere else?

What do you mean by "everywhere else"?

@kellyjay said
Unless there is a God over all, every standard, regardless of where it comes from, religion or lack of religion, is equally justified. With God, it boils down to Him, not us.

I have no need to suggest you apply this personal opinion to your moral compass because I know that you already do.

@kellyjay said
How do you recognize the bad people? You have to judge what they do by some standard.

The "standard" that you have and that I have is stored in each of our moral compasses. Am I a "bad person"? If you think I am, is it not your moral compass that tells you so?

@fmf said
What do you mean by "everywhere else"?

There are billions of different people roaming the earth; each one has something that they believe makes some things good, some things bad without exception. From your point of view, all of them are right, so none of them could be wrong, because for there to be a wrong set of beliefs, a right one must exist. Even those who profess there isn't any such thing complain when they think they have been wronged, something occurred that they say was unfair.

@fmf said
The "standard" that you have and that I have is stored in each of our moral compasses. Am I a "bad person"? If you think I am, is it not your moral compass that tells you so?

The standard is love; the greatest two commands are to love God and each other, those actions that do neither of those two things marks us for what we are. Each time we do anything ill towards another, that is an act against someone who was made in the image of God. You want to make the confession that you have never done that to someone else out of anger, out of spite, simply because there was something about them that you disliked, and your lack of love for God is one of the things you use to define yourself.

@kellyjay said
There are billions of different people roaming the earth; each one has something that they believe makes some things good, some things bad without exception. From your point of view, all of them are right, so none of them could be wrong, because for there to be a wrong set of beliefs, a right one must exist.

There are billions of different people roaming the earth... from your point of view, all of them are right.

Utter nonsense. Haven't you understood a word I have written?

@kellyjay said
The standard is love; the greatest two commands are to love God and each other, those actions that do neither of those two things marks us for what we are. Each time we do anything ill towards another, that is an act against someone who was made in the image of God. You want to make the confession that you have never done that to someone else out of anger, out of spite, simp ...[text shortened]... em that you disliked, and your lack of love for God is one of the things you use to define yourself.

The standard is love; the greatest two commands are to love God and each other, those actions that do neither of those two things marks us for what we are.

The latter of these two supposed "commands" is an influence on my moral compass.

Each time we do anything ill towards another, that is an act against someone who was made in the image of God.

I don't believe it is.

You want to make the confession that you have never done that to someone else out of anger, out of spite, simply because there was something about them that you disliked.

I have never claimed I've never done anything wrong.

Your lack of love for God is one of the things you use to define yourself.

I don't believe in your God figure so I can't "love" it or "hate" it.

@kellyjay said
From your point of view, all of them are right, so none of them could be wrong, because for there to be a wrong set of beliefs, a right one must exist.

We all have moral compasses.

@kellyjay said
lack of love for God is one of the things you use to define yourself.

You do not understand how love for God is demonstrated. Jesus said
Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. (Matthew 25:44-45 KJV)

Love for God is demonstrated every time you help the needy, or the sick, or the dying etc. Love for God is not a profession of faith, which is worthless on its own. Professions of faith are dead until good works are done.

@fmf said
There are billions of different people roaming the earth... from your point of view, all of them are right.

Utter nonsense. Haven't you understood a word I have written?

You either have a standard that tells us some are better because that isn’t subjective or not. When we are concerned about setting priorities at work we have what is called hot requests these always jump to the front of the line. If we say everything is a hot request then we simply do anything because it is all equally important nothing is more important then the next thing. Without any objective means to differentiate one from another they are all the same. There would be nothing outside of opinions which can be argued over without solution.

@kellyjay said
You either have a standard that tells us some are better because that isn’t subjective or not.

Everyone's moral compass generates decisions that are subjective. Yours. Mine. Everyone.