@pb1022 saidIf you can't offer a scenario, and only have a generic situation with no reference points to further the discussion, then I'd say I'd use my moral compass to decide on my actions in whatever kind of scenario you had in your mind.
I don’t know your friends and enemies (and don’t want to know.)
@fmf saidI think God is real, alive, and active in all of our lives, with some we get personally attached to Him at His invitation. I believe God answers all of the big questions of life that even a child can ask, who are we, why are we here, where are we going, things of this nature that science has no response to other than describing material make up of things that don't speak to its origin for either the universe or life itself. As it turns out for life, the more we learn, the less we know because of the complexity of its informational properties.
If this is how you perceive your own personal moral compass, its source and its utility, then I understand. As for me, I don't go for how you couch it in a narrative about supernatural things. And your threats/warnings about me not seeing my compass in the same way as you see yours are, morally speaking, meaningless to me.
Then we get into the more complex things in human life, communication, notions of right and wrong with God; it is a coherent narrative taking in everything. The fall of man into sin perverting us also explains why we do such evil in the world when it need not be that way. So how we perceive, I believe we all perceive the truth. Still, many of us love the darkness; no need to worry about hitting the mark if you can deny a mark is there to hit, no need to worry about doing wrong if you can deny that there is even such thing which God brings in immediately.
@kellyjay saidWhen it comes to "nature" and "nurture" forming your moral compass, chalk the stuff in your post [above] onto the "nurture" column.
I think God is real, alive, and active in all of our lives, with some we get personally attached to Him at His invitation. I believe God answers all of the big questions of life that even a child can ask, who are we, why are we here, where are we going, things of this nature that science has no response to other than describing material make up of things that don't speak to ...[text shortened]... rry about doing wrong if you can deny that there is even such thing which God brings in immediately.
@fmf saidThat is just again something someone came up with, a subjective truth that pops up between the ears of someone. Looking at it and coming up with a possible cause is always subjective, and someone can look at the same reality and say the survival of the fittest, the strong shouldn't be concerned about the weak just as easily too would be nothing more than a subjective truth that pops up between the ears of someone.
When it comes to "nature" and "nurture" forming your moral compass, chalk the stuff in your post [above] onto the "nurture" column.
Hard facts are not like that; the object is what it is, while we can have multiple reasons for events taking place, and even two different ones can be entirely true at the same time. An example others have brought up is, "Why is the water boiling?" we could discuss thermodynamics, the scientific explanation of the event, or the agency someone wanted a hot cup of tea.
The trouble with just coming up with subjective only explanations is they are only good until our understanding grows and what we thought is no longer adequate to explain what is before us, which I believe we are going through with life's origins. Since the answer to all of these things is related, some answers can make it all more profound mysteries before us, or an answer could address them all at once.
@kellyjay saidMore subjective stuff that belongs in the "nurture" column for contemplating how your moral compass was formed. I do understand where you are coming from.
That is just again something someone came up with, a subjective truth that pops up between the ears of someone. Looking at it and coming up with a possible cause is always subjective, and someone can look at the same reality and say the survival of the fittest, the strong shouldn't be concerned about the weak just as easily too would be nothing more than a subjective truth t ...[text shortened]... wers can make it all more profound mysteries before us, or an answer could address them all at once.
@kellyjay saidJust because you didn't write the Bible yourself, KellyJay, it does not make it an "objective" source. Just because it answers certain philosophical questions to your personal satisfaction, it does not mean your opinions about moral issues are not subjective and personal just like mine are.
The trouble with just coming up with subjective only explanations is they are only good until our understanding grows and what we thought is no longer adequate to explain what is before us, which I believe we are going through with life's origins.
@fmf saidAlmost everything coming from another person is going to be subjective the only points that matters are going to be what objective truth are we referring to, are they as we believe them to be? Even if what we think about them are all factually accurate when we share what we think it still going to be our subjective views. Even if what we think is true about some topic and our conclusions are also spot on accurate we still can only make assertions based on what we are looking at.
More subjective stuff that belongs in the "nurture" column for contemplating how your moral compass was formed. I do understand where you are coming from.
So ignoring anything based on what is subjective or because it is just an assertion rules out everyone’s thoughts on everything.
@kellyjay saidWhat "objective truth"?
Almost everything coming from another person is going to be subjective the only points that matters are going to be what objective truth are we referring to, are they as we believe them to be?
Neither of us is trading "objective truths".