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Originally posted by galveston75excerpts:
Interesting numbers....
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/12/19/murder-by-numbers-digging-into-the-data-of-americas-gun-cultur/
31 states place limits on the types of fireworks that one may buy without a permit, only seven require gun owners to register their arsenals.
Currently, there are an estimated 310 million privately held guns in the U.S., and 47 percent of Americans claim to own at least one firearm. There are 8.8 guns for every 10 people in the U.S. -- a higher level than in any other country in the world. The next closest is Yemen, which has 5.5 guns for every 10 people; then again, large swaths of Yemen are controlled by armed rebel groups, a factor that makes gun ownership especially necessary.
Originally posted by galveston75Another left-wing Liberal reporter doing his duty. I bet you did not read the comments on that report. No, because you have your agenda. Please don't register to vote like a good little JW.
Interesting numbers....
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/12/19/murder-by-numbers-digging-into-the-data-of-americas-gun-cultur/
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Originally posted by galveston75Pot. Kettle. Black.
Just hate the facts huh?
Just because you happen to be right on this issue doesn't mean you get to throw stones at
RJHinds (auto correct wants to change that to behinds... don't know why I thought that was funny)
glass house...
You're in a glass house too.
Originally posted by googlefudgeAren't we all? But that's not the subject here is it?
[b]Pot. Kettle. Black.
Just because you happen to be right on this issue doesn't mean you get to throw stones at
RJHinds (auto correct wants to change that to behinds... don't know why I thought that was funny)
glass house...
You're in a glass house too.[/b]
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Originally posted by galveston75No, we do not all live in glass houses.
Aren't we all? But that's not the subject here is it?
Not everyone builds their houses upon the sand.
Everything is not relative.
There is one reality and peoples beliefs about that reality can be objectively better or worse
models of that reality.
People who base their world views upon the knowledge gained by science and rationality are
building with firm foundations.
That isn't the topic of this thread.
However I felt it worth pointing out that while you are actually right about this issue, and are making
some good arguments to support that... you hold positions that are as wrong, if not more wrong, than
the one RJHinds is taking here. Positions that are heavily refuted by the facts, facts you ignore.
Your position on evolution springs to mind as an example.
So you are correct. RJHinds doesn't care about truth, or facts, and uses them only if they happen to coincide
with what he already believes... but you do exactly the same thing.
Your religion is pacifistic and objects to weaponry.
So you go out and look for evidence and arguments to back this up.
As it happens there are good arguments for not allowing anyone and everyone to have automatic weapons.
So you make good arguments. But you hold your position not because of the good arguments but because your
religion says so. You are using post-hoc rationalisation.
Anyone who genuinely cared about truth builds their world view and bases their opinions on the evidence and facts
and good arguments.
You decide what you think the truth aught to be and then latch onto any evidence that happens to support it and
ignore any that contradicts it.
Originally posted by googlefudgeActually you are wrong on my statements here being influanced from me being a JW.
No, we do not all live in glass houses.
Not everyone builds their houses upon the sand.
Everything is not relative.
There is one reality and peoples beliefs about that reality can be objectively better or worse
models of that reality.
People who base their world views upon the knowledge gained by science and rationality are
building with firm ...[text shortened]... then latch onto any evidence that happens to support it and
ignore any that contradicts it.
This is just personal as it always has been with my view on guns.
I do believe there is a place for them within the confines of hunting for food.
I also do know the Bible clearly says not to kill. We did not make up that scripture and many more that say the same. It's in everyones bible to see for themselves.
Guns are made to kill and when used against another human it is usually always with the intent to kill that human.
I personally dislike guns and would never have one in my house and this is why I have posted my thoughts here.
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Originally posted by ZahlanziWho but swat and armed forces need sniper rifles?
I always found it incredible that marijuana, a drug that is less dangerous than tobacco and alcohol is illegal, yet one can buy sniper rifles. Who but swat and armed forces need sniper rifles? ever?
Deer hunters. Its cruel to attempt to kill a deer with anything less, you want a head
shot and instant death.
the correct question is, who but the armed forces and swat teams need a semi
automatic weapon and the answer is of course no one.
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Originally posted by checkbaiterAre we not as a Christian supposed to be in subjection to secular governments, those
Words of Thomas Jefferson "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
governments standing in their relative positions, placed by God?.
(Romans 13:1, 2) . . .Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for
there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their
relative positions by God. Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a
stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will
receive judgment to themselves.
either Thomas Jefferson was a non Christian or he has not read nor understood
Romans chapter 13.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe Romans didn't have sniper rifles.
Are we not as a Christian supposed to be in subjection to secular governments, those
governments standing in their relative positions, placed by God?.
(Romans 13:1, 2) . . .[b]Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for
there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their
relative position ...[text shortened]... ther Thomas Jefferson was a non Christian or he has not read nor understood
Romans chapter 13.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou're talking rubbish again aren't you?
So what, the principle is not dependent upon whether the Romans had sniper rifles or not.
If a ruler is cruel to the people of god why is it then
that you seem to think according to the passage you quoted,
that this ruler is there because your god arranged it for him to be there?
I never heard such ****** in my life.
If your god wanted people to live in a certain way and worship him,
why then would he put barriers in their way such as for example
the Romans?
Originally posted by johnnylongwoodyNo i am talking perfect sense, the arrangement of God is one thing, the way a ruler
You're talking rubbish again aren't you?
If a ruler is cruel to the people of god why is it then
that you seem to think according to the passage you quoted,
that this ruler is there because your god arranged it for him to be there?
I never heard such ****** in my life.
If your god wanted people to live in a certain way and worship him,
why then would he put barriers in their way such as for example
the Romans?
acts under that arrangement quite another, the Christian is therefore counselled to
respect the arrangement. Johnny I don't mean to be rude, but in order for you to
make a proper evaluation of the passage, its helps if you understood why it was written
initially.