Originally posted by avalanchethecatHum? you think the USA would wake up someday and realize guns do kill.
Put it this way, gunshot deaths generally make the national news over here. A brief google tells me there were 41 gunshot homicides in England and Wales last year.
edit - that's 0.07 per 100,000 people, as opposed to 2.97 per 100,000 people in the US last year.
Originally posted by galveston75The numbers certainly stack up against the "guns-don't-kill-people-people-kill-people" lobby don't they? Of course, it's not the legally-held firearms that do all the killing. It's the illegal ones. Virtually all of which started out their existence as legally-held ones, of course.
Hum? you think the USA would wake up someday and realize guns do kill.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatYes they do. But sadly even legal ones are used to by ones who have no right to touch them.
The numbers certainly stack up against the "guns-don't-kill-people-people-kill-people" lobby don't they? Of course, it's not the legally-held firearms that do all the killing. It's the illegal ones. Virtually all of which started out their existence as legally-held ones, of course.
Originally posted by RJHindsLol. You are so far off from any kind of reality on every level it's unbelieveable. I've never seen or heard of anyone like you and your almost inhuman and selfish thoughts.
Have you ever read the Holy Bible? I am sure I have told you that the Holy Bible says Cain killed Abel. Perhaps you got amnesia again. There were no guns. People kill, not rocks or guns.
Originally posted by RJHindsGuns don't have any creative purpose.
Have you ever read the Holy Bible? I am sure I have told you that the Holy Bible says Cain killed Abel. Perhaps you got amnesia again. There were no guns. People kill, not rocks or guns.
Their only purpose is to kill and maim and destroy.
They don't have any other purpose.
A gun is a man made weapon and it's only purpose is for destruction.
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Originally posted by johnnylongwoodyFrom the first time (2001: A Space Odyssey) a monkey picked up a jawbone and bashed another monkey over the head for its food, the dichotomy has existed. The fact is, things can be used as weapons, and the only way to stop a malicious person brandishing a weapon is to use a weapon to stop them.
Guns don't have any creative purpose.
Their only purpose is to kill and maim and destroy.
It might be more "civil" or "noble" to use your fists, but fists too can be lethal weapons (i.e. professional boxers and martial artists).
The fact remains and will always remain: He who has a more powerful weapon can impose his will upon others.
"Us gun people," as well as the founders of our country, believe the best way to deter someone from using a weapon to impose his will upon us, is to own a weapon and be prepared to use it in our defense.
So as far as your false statement goes--you failed to mention that weapons serve another, crucial purpose; and that is to DEFEND OURSELVES against those who seek to kill, maim, or destroy us.
These school mass murders as well as recent movie theatre massacres, all happened in "gun-free" zones where weapons were banned. This gives 2 powerful insights: 1) Criminals who seek to destroy others prefer to do their damage where people won't have any ability to fight back, and 2) all these massacres most likely could have and would have had their deathtoll greatly diminished, if citizens in the area were armed with weapons.
Originally posted by galveston75I think his point is valid. In what way is it invalid?
Lol. You are so far off from any kind of reality on every level it's unbelieveable. I've never seen or heard of anyone like you and your almost inhuman and selfish thoughts.
G... I'm sure it occurs to you: Even if guns were banned worldwide--which presents a serious problem, i.e. tyrannical governments---people are going to find ways to kill each other. Period.
Another thing the bible says. We are *ALL* evil. Every single one of us. The "good" people on this Earth are just better at suppressing their evil than others. Taking guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens will not change the fact that we--as a species--want to kill each other.
If you really wanted to fix the problem of these massacres, you'd start where the source is. The source isn't access to Mommy's guns. The source is the proper treatment of children who demonstrate unusual, psychotic behavior. Throwing drugs at them isn't solving anything. In fact, it has been shown time and time again that common prescription drugs used to shape children's behavior actually exacerbates the problem more than anything. My (ex) step-son demonstrated suicidal behavior when he was 14. The doc prescribed PAXIL for his depression. 2 weeks later, he was hearing voices tell him to kill people. Luckily, he was smart enough to recognize it as a problem and tell someone about it. We took him off the meds and he returned to "normal" behavior.
Originally posted by sumydidYes I do understand that. If someone wants to kill you they can use most anything they could pick up. That is not the issue here. The issue is the weapons that no one in the public has any reason to own and have in their houses or cars or wherever and that is the type of guns these idiots use that gives no one a chance to run or even fight back.
I think his point is valid. In what way is it invalid?
G... I'm sure it occurs to you: Even if guns were banned worldwide--which presents a serious problem, i.e. tyrannical governments---people are going to find ways to kill each other. Period.
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Sure someone could walk into a movie theater with a 6 shooter and kill, but the differances are many and the death tolls would be less. Common sense would clearly tell anyone the death tolls would be less with less dangerous weapons.
They have been discussed here in length. Perhaps you should review all the postings to see them.
Originally posted by galveston75Yes I realize I'm getting into this thread late, but I already know all the points and counterpoints.
Yes I do understand that. If someone wants to kill you they can use most anything they could pick up. That is not the issue here. The issue is the weapons that no one in the public has any reason to own and have in their houses or cars or wherever and that is the type of guns these idiots use that gives no one a chance to run or even fight back.
Sure s ...[text shortened]... They have been discussed here in length. Perhaps you should review all the postings to see them.
So I can see from your answer that you are seeking to take unnecessarily powerful, "assault weapons" from the hands of people so as to limit the number of deaths, should someone decide to go on a shooting spree.
I argue that an equal if not superior, and fair way of stopping these wackos, is to allow citizens to carry concealed weapons of their own.
I used to live in Kennesaw, GA. The crime rate in that city (at the time) was the lowest in the country. Why? Because it was mandatory, by law, that in Kennesaw, every person *must* keep a licensed gun in their home. As crazy and backward as that sounds to a lot of people, the fact remains: it was a supremely effective deterrent to crime.
Originally posted by sumydidBut do you not think that the more guns that are out there it will just inhance the problem in the long run because that's kind of the reason that's where we are now?
Yes I realize I'm getting into this thread late, but I already know all the points and counterpoints.
So I can see from your answer that you are seeking to take unnecessarily powerful, "assault weapons" from the hands of people so as to limit the number of deaths, should someone decide to go on a shooting spree.
I argue that an equal if not superior, a ...[text shortened]... ounds to a lot of people, the fact remains: it was a supremely effective deterrent to crime.
The problem even with people having guns legally is not all those people are normal and have problems. Things happen to even the most level minded people but take ones job away, their homes because of losing that job, then they lose their wife and finally they've had enough and they snap.
Or in the case of the young man that killed all those kids, he got those legal guns from his mom's house.
In a perfect world you may have a point, but we live in a very imperfect world and no way at all on keeping an eye on every person in this coutry and keeping these high powered guns out of their hands. Impossible.
Take away those type guns and anyone could see the death toll would go down.