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    13 Apr '14 12:241 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    Do you think you have broken the "Golden Rule" today?
    Give me some time, I just got up and have not had my coffee yet. 😠
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    13 Apr '14 12:26
    Originally posted by yoctobyte
    If any is really interested, they should go directly to the Word for the answers. Man cannot define that which he is guilty of, only the Word of God can do that, this is why I pointed to the bible.
    Well, you have read the bible and I am not going to attempt to post your opinions about how it answers my question on your behalf.
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    13 Apr '14 12:30
    Originally posted by FMF
    If, as you state, "there is no everyday practical sin", then is it reasonable for me ~ or anyone else here ~ to have claimed that I have not 'sinned' today?
    I have no way of knowing if you or anybody else has sinned today.
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    13 Apr '14 12:36
    Originally posted by yoctobyte
    I have no way of knowing if you or anybody else has sinned today.
    Perhaps FMF is God's bookkeeper now.
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    13 Apr '14 12:40
    Originally posted by yoctobyte
    I have no way of knowing if you or anybody else has sinned today.
    If you give me a few examples of everyday sins [i.e. not murder or rape] then maybe I can work out whether I ~ contrary to my assertions ~ have 'sinned'. Have you "sinned' today? You could answer yes or no whilst keeping the details secret, I suppose.
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    13 Apr '14 12:42
    Originally posted by whodey
    Perhaps FMF is God's bookkeeper now.
    My interest is in how Christian theology about 'sin' applies to everyday life like the one we are all making our way through today. [Now 19.40pm here, I have about 4-5 hours left].
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    13 Apr '14 12:501 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    My interest is in how Christian theology about 'sin' applies to everyday life like the one we are all making our way through today. [Now 19.40pm here, I have about 4-5 hours left].
    The Bible says that whatever is not of faith is sin.

    Translation, those of faith have faith in God, choosing to side with what he tells them to do as being righteous and that he will guide them down the best path even if they see it at the time or otherwise. Thus, any righteousness you may have comes merely from siding in with the righteousness of God.

    Looking at what Jesus tells us in the Bible, we have some guidelines for this. Specifically Jesus gave us the Golden Rule as well as saying that we should love God above all else. This means seeking God's will in our lives as well as obeying the Golden Rule.

    We have all heard the phrase, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and we can all provide examples. In like manner, ignoring the will of God will leave you falling short when attempting to accomplish what is "good".
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    13 Apr '14 12:51
    Originally posted by FMF
    If you give me a few examples of everyday sins [i.e. not murder or rape] then maybe I can work out whether I ~ contrary to my assertions ~ have 'sinned'. Have you "sinned' today? You could answer yes or no whilst keeping the details secret, I suppose.
    I don't know what you mean by everyday sin, sin is sin.

    If you give me a few examples of everyday sins [i.e. not murder or rape] then maybe I can work out whether I ~ contrary to my assertions ~ have 'sinned'.

    May I suggest you speak to God? He is listening!
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    13 Apr '14 12:53
    Originally posted by yoctobyte
    I don't know what you mean by everyday sin, sin is sin.
    OK, this contribution to this discussion is duly noted. 🙂
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    13 Apr '14 12:563 edits
    Originally posted by FMF
    You have an "urgent concern concerning the flimsy tissue of self righteousness" that you claim I demonstrate? Are you serious here ~ an "urgent concern", you say? ~ or is this a bit of a rhetorical 'white lie', indeed, a bit of "self righteousness" on your part?


    You have many questions.

    A lie is simply a lie. If you wish to say I am a liar then there is no need to called it a "white lie". Then just believe that I am a liar because I expressed concern for you foolish confidence that the last 24 hours was Okay compared to ? .... maybe you'll be counted righteous in that day.
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    13 Apr '14 13:01
    Originally posted by sonship
    A lie is simply a lie. If you wish to say I am a liar then there is no need to called it a "white lie". Then just believe that I am a liar because I expressed concern for you foolish confidence that the last 24 hours was Okay compared to ? .... maybe you'll be counted righteous in that day.
    If you are telling me that your real life is configured in such a way that you genuinely have an "urgent concern" about what I have said here on the internet today on this thread, then I am willing to accept your claim, for the sake of argument.
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    13 Apr '14 13:033 edits
    Originally posted by FMF
    That is not what the OP is about. I do not claim that I have never done or 'committed' anything that you ~ and other Christians ~ would consider to be 'sins'. This OP is about practical, everyday 'sins' ~ Have I 'sinned' today? If I haven't, but you think I may have, what would be examples of 'sin' that I might have overlooked ~ today? Did you 'sin' today? Do 'sinners' get through whole days without 'sinning' on their own terms? If so, does it happen a lot?


    So you are eagerly inviting Christians to come and judge you ?

    IE. "Come and judge me all you Jesus types."

    Then maybe your next thread can complain about how judgmental Christians have treated you. Fun, fun, fun.

    My last post on this thread - It is better to be Christ centered than "my sins centered."
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    13 Apr '14 13:07
    Originally posted by sonship
    So you are eagerly inviting Christians to come and judge you ?
    No. I am inviting people to define 'sin' ~ with everyday examples ~ and then I can try to understand whether my assertion that I have not sinned today is justified or not justified. I have also asked several other related questions along the way.
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    13 Apr '14 13:141 edit
    Originally posted by sonship
    "Come and judge me all you Jesus types." Then maybe your next thread can complain about how judgmental Christians have treated you. Fun, fun, fun.
    There's nothing in my posting record to justify this straw man of yours, sonship. I have made it absolutely clear many times over the years that I am not affected by the judgements of Christians except when their views overlap or coincide with my own morality in which case it is interesting.

    How you can have read my posts for years and years and not have noticed this, I do not know.

    What I am interested in is how various aspects of theology apply in real life and affect the behaviour of their proponents. In this case: the everyday application of the concept of 'sinful behaviour'.
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    13 Apr '14 13:45
    Originally posted by FMF
    There's nothing in my posting record to justify this straw man of yours, sonship. I have made it absolutely clear many times over the years that I am not affected by the judgements of Christians except when their views overlap or coincide with my own morality in which case it is interesting.

    How you can have read my posts for years and years and not have not ...[text shortened]... f their proponents. In this case: the everyday application of the concept of 'sinful behaviour'.
    Here is a list of sins I got off a website. Maybe it can help people to say if they have done any of these.

    1. IDOLATRY — the making of any created thing to be your "god;": finding your ultimate security in, or settings your ultimate love upon, or giving your ultimate allegiance to, any created thing(s), whether material, human, or formal false religious gods; paying homage to, or worshiping idols, attributing divine power to created entities. (Is. 45:18; Ex. 20:3 Dt. 5:7; 6:5,14; 17:2-7; 27:15; Acts 21:25; 1 Cor. 5:11; 12:2; 2 Cor. 6:16; 1 Thes. 1:9; 1 Jn. 5:21; Rev. 2:14,20; 9:20)
    2. BLASPHEMY — Attacking or otherwise showing disrespect toward God and His name or character; attributing to other beings GOD's unique divine qualities; profanity in word or deed. (Lv. 24:16; Ex. 20:7; 1Ki. 21:10; Mt. 12:31; Acts 26:11; 1Tim. 1:3; James 2:7)
    3. FALSE PROPHECY in the name of the LORD — misusing or misappropriating God's name and authority. (Deu 18:20a; Jer. 20:1-6; 28:11-17)
    4. FALSE PROPHETS — Enticing others to practice false religion; apostasy. (Dt. 13:6-12; Mt. 23:15; Acts 13:10)
    5. WITCHCRAFT — the practice of witches; occultic magic; ouija boards, astrology, palmistry, necromancy, divination, etc.; also likened to rebellion. (Ex. 22:18; Lv. 19:31; 20:6,27; 1Sam. 15:23)
    6. CHILD SACRIFICE TO IDOLS, FALSE GODS (see #1) — basically includes abortion (most of which are done for convenience), or directing them to laws and ideologies contrary to God's word, and which directs them on the path of damnation. (Lv. 18:21; 20:2; Dt. 12:31; 18:10)
    7. REBELLION AGAINST PARENTS — Cursing, disrespect, or constant rebellion against parents (except where obedience is required which conflicts with God's laws) (Ex. 20:12; 21:15, 17; cf. Lv, 20:9; Dt. 21:18; 27:16)
    8. DISOBEDIENCE TO AUTHORITY — Disobedience to just judgments by God-ordained authority. (Dt. 17:9,10a, 11b,12; Josh 1:18; Rm. 13:1-7; 1Pet. 2:13,14)
    9. MURDER — premeditated killing with malice; intentional unlawful and or unjust killing of another human; homicide with malicious forethought. (Ex. 21:12-14: Lv. 24:17; Num. 35:31; Dt. 19:11,12; Jn. 8:44; 1 Tim. 1:9; 1 Pet. 4:15; 1 Jn. 3:15)
    10. NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE — Death of another caused by one's own negligence. (Ex. 21:29)
    11. HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONS — sexual activity between persons of the same gender; seeking to join same genders in marriage (cf. here and here (Lv. 18:22; 20:13; Rm. 1:26,27; 1 Tim. 1:10)
    12. EFFEMINANCY — men unnaturally taking on female characteristics and behavior. (Dt. 22:5; 1 Cor. 6:9)
    13. BESTIALITY — sexual relations between humans and animals. (Ex. 22:19; Lv. 18:23; 20:15; Dt. 27:21)
    14. ADULTERY — violation of the marriage bed; extramarital sexual relations in heart or actions (includes lusting by pornography). (Lv. 20:10; Dt. 22:23-25; Mk. 7:20-23; Jn. 8:3-5; Gal. 5:19; 1 Cor. 6:9)
    15. FORNICATION — sexual intercourse before marriage: also adultery and spiritual unfaithfulness. (Gn. 34; Mt. 19:9; Mk. 7:20-23; Acts 15:20; 21:25; Rm. 1:29; 1 Cor. 5:1,11; 6:13,19; 7:2; Gal. 5:19; Eph. 5:3; Col. 3:5; 1Ths. 4:3; Rev. 9:21; 14:8; 17:2,4; 18:3; 19:2);
    16. SEXUAL UNCLEANNESS — all unnatural, impure or otherwise illicit or unmarried sexual activity, in heart or deed. (Mk. 7:20-23; 2Cor. 12:21; Gal. 5:19; Eph. 5:3; Col. 3:5)
    17. DECEIT, LYING — dishonesty in every form, being a false witnesses. (Dt. 19:15; Mk. 7:22; 14:1; Acts 13:10; Rm. 1:29; 1 Tim. 1:10; 1Ths. 2:3; 1Pet. 2:1,22; 3:10; Rev. 2:2; 14:5; 21:8)
    18. MISDIRECTING PEOPLE — Making the blind wander out of the way; misleading people. (Dt. 27:18; Mt. 15:14)
    19. FALSE PRETENSE IN MARRIAGE Marriage under the pretense of being a virgin. (Dt. 22:20)
    20. LASCIVIOUSNESS — lustful, wanton; captivating lust. (Gal. 5:19; Eph. 4:19; 1Pet. 4:3; Jude 1:4)
    21. COVETOUSNESS — Selfish lusting for things. (Lk. 12:15; Rm. 1:29; 2 Cor. 9:5; Eph. 4:19; 5:3; Col. 3:5; 1 Ths. 2:5; 2 Pet. 2:3,14)
    22. THEFTS — stealing; the unlawful taking of anything material, intellectual, etc. (Ex. 20:15; Lv. 19:11; Dt. 19:14; Dt. 27:17; Ezek. 22:29; Mk. 7:22; Jn. 12:6; Eph. 4:28; 1 Pet. 4:15)
    23. PERVERTING JUSTICE — perversion of what is right for the stranger, fatherless or widow. (Exo 22:22-24; Deu 27:19)
    24. HATRED — Unholy bitter aversion, animosity, antagonism, resentment. (Rm. 1:29; Gal. 5:20; Ja. 4:4)
    25. VARIANCE — contentious spirit; refusal to submit to truth. (Rm. 1:29; 1Cor. 3:3; Gal. 5:20; Tts. 3:9)
    26. EMULATIONS — unholy zeal; selfish ambition; strife to excel at the expense of another. (Num. 12; Gal. 5:20; Phil. 2:14)
    27. WRATH — Carnal turbulent, violent passions; unholy active anger, indignation. (2 Cor. 12:20; Gal. 5:20; Col. 3:8)
    28. STRIFE — fleshly disputations; selfish contention for superiority. (Gal. 5:20; Rm. 1:29; 13:13; 1 Cor. 1:11; 2 Cor. 12:20; Phil. 1:15; 2:24; 1Tim. 6:4; 3:9; 1 Pet. 5:5)
    29. SEDITION — carnal, unholy assembly in opposition to lawful authority: fleshly factious uprising; (Num. 12; 16; Rm. 16:7; 1 Cor. 3:3; Gal. 5:20)
    30. HERESIES — unholy divisions; false doctrine opposed to established fundamental truth. (Gal. 5:20; Tts. 1:3)
    32. ENVYINGS — feeling displeasure at the excellence or prosperity of another because you feel you should have it also. A cousin to jealousy, selfishly feeling what others have belongs to you instead. (Num. 16:3,7; Mt. 27:18; Mk. 15:10; Rm. 1:29; Phil. 1:15; 1Tim. 6:4; Tts. 3:3; 1Pet. 2:1)
    33. DRUNKENNESS — the state of being drunk; under the influence of intoxicating substances which alter the senses for recreation. “Even the cares of the world, when they intoxicate the mind” (Adam Clarke). (Ga. 5:21; Dt. 21:20; Lk. 21:34; 1 Cor. 5:11; 6:10; Eph. 5:18; 1 Ths. 5:7)
    34. REVELINGS — boisterous, indulgent festivities, carousing, loud merry-making, partying. (Ex. 32:1-8; Gal. 5:21; Rm. 13:13; 1Pet. 4:3)
    35. PRIDE — haughtiness; egotism; conceit. Seeing yourself better than you really are. (Ps. 12:3; 101:5; 119:21; 123:4; 138:6; Prv. 6:17; 15:25; 16:5; 21:4,24; 28:25; Eccl. 7:8; Is. 2:12)
    36. FOOLISHNESS — frivolous or irresponsible behavior. (Prv. 12:23; 22:15; 24:9; 27:2; Eccl. 7:25; 1 Pet. 2:15)
    37. EXTORTION — forced extraction of money, sex, things, by manipulation; coercion. (1 Cor. 5:11; Lk. 18:11; Mt. 7:15)
    38. WICKEDNESS — general depravity; malice. (Mk. 7:22; 1 Cor. 5:8; Eph. 6:12)
    39. EVIL THOUGHTS (Mk. 7:21; Mt. 9:4; Ja. 2:4) — any evil thoughts, or imaginations, including unwarranted suspicions; resentment; illicit sex fantasies; planning evil.
    40. THE ULTIMATE SIN OF DAMNATION - Rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, and the only One who can save you from all your sins.


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