Originally posted by menace71I don't think they are as bad as Jim Jones of the Peoples Temple.
My premise is that if they the Watchtower can't get prophecy right and they have a 100+ year track record to back that up then why should we believe anything they say? Lets drink poised cool aid because the watch tower says so LOL
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Originally posted by RJHinds"Fruits" Jesus said you would know his followers by their fruits. We were just talking about fighting for this country I believe and one of the fruits Jesus said would identify his people would be the Love that would be among them.
If they were being given some new revelation, it was definitely not
from God. Maybe, it was from the one that masquerades as an
angel of light.
I know with complete peace in my heart that if a war ever broke out here in this country and we were invaded by an army from another country and one of them put a gun to my head to kill me, I know it would not be a Brother from a Kingdom Hall from that country behind that gun.
You mentioned something earlier like if everyone believed like us how dangerous things would be here in this country! Well I'll do you one better...If everyone like us believed the way we do, there would be no wars at all.
Originally posted by Dowardso you beg to differ, so you have an opinion, so what?
I have to differ with you Robbie. When one interprets the bible and attempts to divine some hidden secret then you run the risk of producing a false prophecy. Here's my thinking:
Christ said no man know's the day or hour. Of course we are to be alert and on watch, but the date is hidden for a reason. Do you honestly believe God would reveal that date? Of w ...[text shortened]... the day or the hour; that makes their prediction an addition to God's word and thusly false
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIn comparison to other organised religions that l can think of the JWs come off very very well when you look at the number of people killed directly or indirectly in the name of their religion.
when we consider the acts of persecution perpetrated by American 'Christians', I think we come off rather well, dont you.
The above statement does not take away a single thing from the fact that the OP shows clearly numerous counts of error made by senior figures in the organisation.
As divegester said this is typical for all religions (and as l would add for humans)
Stop denying these things and accept that your (like ALL other religions) has people that have made mistakes and are / were plain wrong.
If you can do this simple, logical thing it would help your cause no end.
You preach that God is perfect , and you know you are not God and nor is anyone involved in your or anyone elses religion - so step off the high horse and stop changing the subject.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo one has said that your organisation originated the prophecy. I don't see how this is relevant. The basic point is that your organisation did interpret the prophecy (which you agree) and was wrong. Surely this undermines the credibility of your organisation.
nope i am denying that they are prophecy, for they are merely interpretations of prophecy already written. We did not originate the prophecy, we have merely tried to understand it.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieCompare yourself and your organisation with the worst, and you will remain at the bottom, at best mediocre.
when we consider the acts of persecution perpetrated by American 'Christians', I think we come off rather well, dont you.
Try to raise your standards a bit .. probably more in line with what was taught by Christ.
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Originally posted by Conrau KOnly in the eyes of ones who don't get it and that's actually the way it's supposed to be according to Jesus own words in that his followers would be objects of hatered by all the world because we do get it and it exposes ones who don't. And that makes them sooooooo mad!
No one has said that your organisation originated the prophecy. I don't see how this is relevant. The basic point is that your organisation did interpret the prophecy (which you agree) and was wrong. Surely this undermines the credibility of your organisation.
The Bible describes this learning process as a refining process as with gold. At first the gold does have imperfections but as time goes on and as it's refind more it eventually becomes pure.
So much the complete opposite of the rest of the so called Christian religions that to this day are still stuck with centuries old pagn filled doctrines and doctrine they will still blindly argue over and not even be able to explain like the trinity. The blind leading the blind fits will.......
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Originally posted by galveston75I quite understand that our understanding of Scripture needs to undergo refinement. That's a very laudable view. What worries me is that your organisation has frequently interpreted Scripture and its interpretations are not of a trivial nature. If someone had been foolish enough to believe their interpretation, that could have significantly affected their life.
Only in the eyes of ones who don't get it and that's actually the way it's supposed to be according to Jesus own words in that his followers would be objects of hatered by all the world because we do get it and it exposes ones who don't. And that makes them sooooooo mad!
The Bible describes this learning process as a refining process as with gold. At f not even be able to explain like the trinity. The blind leading the blind fits will.......
And while our understanding of Scripture of course needs refinement, surely no church can expect to wholly change its doctrines to fit the shifting movements in biblical exegesis. There has to be some point on which your organisation just cannot change. And since your organisation has proved itself regularly quite inadequate to interpret Scripture, why should it be trusted on more fundamental interpretations?
-Removed-You have no idea what the fruits mean then do you and how to see it when it really exist. Very sad because it is real.
And as we see here RJ has no clue to what not killing your Brother means at all and would be willing to do it the second his government would tell him to do so. And that would include killing you to my friend if you actually went to his particular church but in another country.