History of the Watch Tower Society (One more time)

Originally posted by Doward
how about 1975 when the false prophets of your denomination encouraged people to not make house and credit card payments so the publishing could be increased? The result was a large number of people who lost homes, many went so far into debt they had to declare bankruptcy. Even worse there were people who lost their faith as a result. Who will acoount for tho ...[text shortened]... less RC. The sooner you understand that the sooner you may understand the saving grace of Christ

where is the evidence? either you produce the evidence or you will issue a public
apology and state that you were talking one hundred percent pure unadulterated
pants, again! what atrocities have we engaged in? absolutely none! we have killed
no one, we have blessed no weapons, we will not even work in an ammunitions factory
or a factory that make cigarettes because it is deemed harmful to others, and here
you are, heaping lie upon lie trying to worm your way out by slithering here and
there. Either put up the evidence or retract your statement and admit that we have
not engaged in one atrocity against another person or persons.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
where is the evidence? either you produce the evidence or you will issue a public
apology and state that you were talking one hundred percent pure unadulterated
pants, again! what atrocities have we engaged in? absolutely none! we have killed
no one, we have blessed no weapons, we will not even work in an ammunitions factory
or a factory ...[text shortened]... tatement and admit that we have
not engaged in one atrocity against another person or persons.

same deal for you RC, If I produce the evidence will you renouncew the JW's? If not I am not wasting my time. And you are not deserving of an apology

Originally posted by Doward
same deal for you RC, If I produce the evidence will you renouncew the JW's? If not I am not wasting my time. And you are not deserving of an apology

yes indeed, I will, where is it. Do you realise how serious slander is? do you realise
that devil literally means a slanderer, why do you persist in slander and defamation of
character? whether i am deserving or not is not the point, you are being called out,
where is your evidence.

"Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end."

Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3 How Are You Using Your Life?

Originally posted by Proper Knob

"Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and pla ...[text shortened]... icked world's end."

Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3 How Are You Using Your Life?[/b]

Who's life?

Originally posted by Proper Knob

"Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and pla ...[text shortened]... icked world's end."

Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3 How Are You Using Your Life?[/b]

so what? did anyone order them to do so? where is the statement that we directed these persons to sell their homes, all that is proffered is that they are commended for their zeal. The accusation was and remains that we directed persons to sell their homes and property, so where is it? If you cannot produce it, then it is a lie and it is slanderous.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so what? did anyone order them to do so? where is the statement that we directed these persons to sell their homes, all that is proffered is that they are commended for their zeal. The accusation was and remains that we directed persons to sell their homes and property, so where is it? If you cannot produce it, then it is a lie and it is slanderous.

No, the accusation was not that people were 'directed' to sell homes and property. Go back and read the post, your making it up.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
No, the accusation was not that people were 'directed' to sell homes and property. Go back and read the post, your making it up.

so we never actually ordered anyone to sell their homes of property, what then is your gripe? That we encourage persons to be zealous in the Christian ministry. Too right, it is a fine way to spend ones time helping others to an accurate knowledge of Biblical truth, in fact i could not think of a finer way than helping others. We are after all, Christians.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so we never actually order anyone to sell their homes of property, what then is your gripe? That persons should be zealous in the Christian ministry.

This is what Doward initially said -

how about 1975 when the false prophets of your denomination encouraged people to not make house and credit card payments so the publishing could be increased?

Note the word in bold, 'encouraged', not 'directed' or 'ordered' as you falsely claimed. Encouraged.

Now these are some of the responses from you and Galvo -

Can you please quote where the Watchtower Society ever said that? Please show in writing where it was said?

and

so you cannot find it , because it doesn't exist, you slandering reprobates, you have nothing, absolutely zero.

and

where is the evidence? either you produce the evidence or you will issue a public apology and state that you were talking one hundred percent pure unadulterated pants, again!

The text has now been provided that shows Doward was correct.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
This is what Doward initially said -

how about 1975 when the false prophets of your denomination [b]encouraged people to not make house and credit card payments so the publishing could be increased?

Note the word in bold, 'encouraged', not 'directed' or 'ordered' as you falsely claimed. Encouraged.

Now these are some of the ed pants, again![/quote]

The text has now been provided that shows Doward was correct.[/b]

what a piece of nonsense, we encourage persons to be zealous in the ministry not to sell their homes or make credit card payments as he slanderously asserted, you are talking nonsense, his statement is a lie and yours is not much better. Now i dont want to fall out with you over this, but there is not even a hint of us telling persons to do anything with their finances, all we have done , as we continually do, is encourage persons to be zealous in the ministry, to construe anything else from the text is a nonsense, and in Dowards case a complete lie. The text has now been provided that shows Doward is and remains a liar.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what a piece of nonsense, we encourage persons to be zealous in the ministry not to sell their homes or make credit card payments as he slanderously asserted, you are talking nonsense, his statement is a lie and yours is not much better.

How do you interpret this text then -

"Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end."

Originally posted by Proper Knob
How do you interpret this text then -

"Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end."

that it is an encouragement to be zealous in the ministry, there is not even a hint of stating that anything should be done with their own personal finances or property as was slanderously asserted and you have failed to provide any, instead you must not try to 'interpret', what was intended in order to bolster your argument. Spending time in the ministry is a fine thing, that brothers indeed did sell their homes in order to facilitate it , is a fine thing, indeed, they still do it today, sell their property and go and preach where the need is greater, like Latin America and Africa, living off the interest. We have always put emphasis on preaching, that's what this is, to construe it as anything else is nonsense. I think its beautiful.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
that it is an encouragement to be zealous in the ministry, there is not even a hint of stating that anything should be done with their own personal finances or property as was slanderously asserted and you have failed to provide any, instead you must not try to 'interpret', what was intended in order to bolster your argument. Spending time in the mi ...[text shortened]... ng, that's what this is, to construe it as anything else is nonsense. I think its beautiful.

You really are a laughable character sometimes. The text is there we can all read and make our own minds up, that you can't see past the end of your indoctrinated nose is no surprise at all.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You really are a laughable character sometimes. The text is there we can all read and make our own minds up, that you can't see past the end of your indoctrinated nose is no surprise at all.

the fact of the matter is my dear, we did not order nor tell nor encourage those that wished to sell their property to do so, they did it themselves, we merely commented on their zeal, that it was admirable. We have always and will continue to encourage persons to simplify their lives, to shun materialism, and to make room for the Christian ministry. Contrast that with the opulence of Christendom, where all they have is their empty rituals and indolent pew sitters and we are beautiful for sure.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
How do you interpret this text then -

"Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end."

Let me shed a little light on this issue. If you notice the Society said "they hear of reports" of ones selling their homes and getting out of debt. The Society never said themelves to do this to anyone either in private or publicly. My father was an elder at that time and no such letter or report or document or memo from the society was ever printed or recieved by any congregations in the world of any such thing.
Again the Society "heard" of ones on their own doing this.
So why did some do this? They had to have a reason? In reality in comparison to the couple million or so Witnesses at that time earthwide, it was a small amount that decided to pursue that decision on their own.
It was felt by a """"few""""" because the year 1975 was the 6000 year anniversary of mans being on this earth from Adam's creation, that possibly that is when Armegeddon would happen. Well that would be a wrong thought because as the bible says "no man knows the hour but God, not even the son knows".
So apparently because of a few stepping ( not the society ) ahead of Jehovah and his timetable that only he knows, this thought of Armegeddon possibly coming in 1975 made some decide to make these decisions to sell and cut back on expenses to spend more time in the ministry work which in itself is not a bad thing and something we should all do. But the wrong part of this is some on there own thought armegeddon was going to happen in 75' which was never ever thought of or mentioned by the society.
And yes some did get upset that armegeddon did not come as they thought and some fell away and are no longer with us. I knew a few myself. That was a decision they made and actually goes along with the parable in Mark 4 in the Bible of the seeds along the roadway and after gaining some knowledge of the truth began to wilt because of not havng depth of knowledge but only a shallow amount.
There is always a sifting of ones looking for the truth and this was one example of ones that were not.