Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe source you give is from the Watchtower Society which must be
http://bringonthegoodnews.blogspot.com/2009/07/mob-violence-in-north-america.html
considered biased. But even it includes only one assetion that the Catholic
Church was involved without any proof. Do you have any unbiased
reports that proves Christians, in general, murdered or tortured women
and children? Do they actually identify these so-called Christians?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut no one said that the Watch Tower was issuing any prophecy. That was certainly not the premise of my question to you. The point is simply this: your organisation teaches inconsistently on Scripture. Now you might say that this is just part of a gradual process of 'coming into understanding'. At the very least however you have to acknowledge that your organisation should be a little more cautious when it tries to interpret Scripture.
we have been through this before, the whole premise fails, because we have originated
no prophecy, we have merely sought to understand prophecy that was already
written, making any claims to false prophecy erroneous. Like Christs disciples we
have been mistaken, did they not also think that Christ was going to restore the
Kingdom to Israel a ...[text shortened]... ast time i looked perfection was not
a requirement unless of course your the Pontifex Maximus!
Originally posted by RJHindsyou know absolutely nothing, the watchtower society has one official website,
The source you give is from the Watchtower Society which must be
considered biased. But even it includes only one assetion that the Catholic
Church was involved without any proof. Do you have any unbiased
reports that proves Christians, in general, murdered or tortured women
and children? Do they actually identify these so-called Christians?
watchtower.org making your assertion, like the majority of the others, totally
prejudiced and completely without foundation. Why dont you google, Jehovahs
witnesses and persecution, I for one am not going to look up references for your
satisfaction, if you dont believe the accounts, I dont really care.
Originally posted by Conrau Kdid you care to read the original text, i lost count of the number of times it stated false prophecy. We live and learn.
But no one said that the Watch Tower was issuing any prophecy. That was certainly not the premise of my question to you. The point is simply this: your organisation teaches inconsistently on Scripture. Now you might say that this is just part of a gradual process of 'coming into understanding'. At the very least however you have to acknowledge that your organisation should be a little more cautious when it tries to interpret Scripture.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI don't understand what you mean here. Are you denying that the Watch Tower made these interpretations of prophecy or are you suggesting that they are not in fact in contradiction? I think those are really the only relevant questions here.
did you care to read the original text, i lost count of the number of times it stated false prophecy. We live and learn.
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Originally posted by Conrau Knope i am denying that they are prophecy, for they are merely interpretations of prophecy already written. We did not originate the prophecy, we have merely tried to understand it.
I don't understand what you mean here. Are you denying that the Watch Tower made these interpretations of prophecy or are you suggesting that they are not in fact in contradiction? I think those are really the only relevant questions here.
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Prophecy 3: The next person to post in this spirituality forum will be Conrau K
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Let's see if any of my predictions come true...
Originally posted by Agerg"For out of he heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries,
Ok...I got this one wrong, karoly posted next. I'll try again later noting that I only need one hit!
fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. These are the
things which defile the man..." (Matthew 15:19-20 NASB)
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI have to differ with you Robbie. When one interprets the bible and attempts to divine some hidden secret then you run the risk of producing a false prophecy. Here's my thinking:
my dear lady you may roll those big blue/brown or green eyes, its not a dodge, its a
statement of fact.
Christ said no man know's the day or hour. Of course we are to be alert and on watch, but the date is hidden for a reason. Do you honestly believe God would reveal that date? Of what merit is a coversion based on fear of the imminent return of Christ? None! So if the JW's are interpreting scripture and producing a date of the return, that IS in fact a false prophecy. They are making a forecast or prediction on an event, and they do it with the full knowledge that God's word says that no man knows the day or the hour; that makes their prediction an addition to God's word and thusly false
Originally posted by DowardTrue. The ones that added those dates to the prophecies did not
I have to differ with you Robbie. When one interprets the bible and attempts to divine some hidden secret then you run the risk of producing a false prophecy. Here's my thinking:
Christ said no man know's the day or hour. Of course we are to be alert and on watch, but the date is hidden for a reason. Do you honestly believe God would reveal that date? Of w ...[text shortened]... the day or the hour; that makes their prediction an addition to God's word and thusly false
know enough about what Jesus taught to know He made that
statement. The JW's today, now know, and are not likely to make
the same mistake again.
Originally posted by DowardTrue some ideas of dates that were thought to be understood at that time were wrong, and they admitted it. But as Robbie mentioned earlier even the apostles were wrong at time with their understandings. They were imperfect humans without the full understanding of what they were hearing from Jesus and they were with him almost constantly and as the saying goes they heard " straight from the horses mouth".
I have to differ with you Robbie. When one interprets the bible and attempts to divine some hidden secret then you run the risk of producing a false prophecy. Here's my thinking:
Christ said no man know's the day or hour. Of course we are to be alert and on watch, but the date is hidden for a reason. Do you honestly believe God would reveal that date? Of w ...[text shortened]... the day or the hour; that makes their prediction an addition to God's word and thusly false
But the Brothers were not trying to be prophets and scare everyone to start running to the hills. They at that time were starting to understand some new revelations that as I mentioned earlier that we believe God was giving them. Some of that "light of new information" was being understood but as they learned they did still not have it all correct. It's no different then any of us going to school to learn something new. There is no way that any of us would be able to explain a new understanding completely correct at first.
But at least these Brothers were trying as hard as they could with the knowledge and understanding they had at that time.
But...this is now 2011 and it's been a long time since those days. And as with any new subject we have learnd more and the light has gotten brighter.
If we clamed to be prophets, then I'm sure they would still be doing the same today and making the same mistakes that were done then.
Originally posted by galveston75If they were being given some new revelation, it was definitely not
True some ideas of dates that were thought to be understood at that time were wrong, and they admitted it. But as Robbie mentioned earlier even the apostles were wrong at time with their understandings. They were imperfect humans without the full understanding of what they were hearing from Jesus and they were with him almost constantly and as the saying ...[text shortened]... hey would still be doing the same today and making the same mistakes that were done then.
from God. Maybe, it was from the one that masquerades as an
angel of light.