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    I can say distinctly and precisely that the Watch Tower Society should be rejected just based off their 100+ years of false prophecy and contradictory statements in their own writings. If held to the standard of what a false prophet is it can be summed up that the Watch Tower should be ignored completely.

    The Beginning of the Millennium at 1872: “In this chapter we present the Bible evidence which indicates that six thousand years from the creation of Adam were complete with A.D. 1872; and hence that, since 1872 A.D., we are chronologically entered upon the seventh thousand or the Millennium—the forepart of which, the ‘Day of the Lord,’ the ‘day of trouble,’ is to witness the breaking into pieces of the kingdoms of this world and the establishment of the Kingdom of God under the whole heavens” (Thy Kingdom Come, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, 1905, p. 127).

    Christ’s Second Coming at 1874: “The second coming of the Lord therefore began in 1874; and that date and the years 1914 to 1918 are specially marked dates with reference to his coming” (Creation, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, 1927, p. 310).

    The Establishment of the Kingdom of God at 1914: “In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A.D. 1914” (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, “The Time is at Hand,” 1889 and 1909 edition, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, p. 99).

    The Establishment of the Kingdom of God at 1915: “In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A.D. 1915” (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, “The Time is at Hand,” 1919 reprint of the 1915 edition, Watch Tower bible and Tract Society, p. 99).

    End of Gentile Times and Churches Destroyed at 1918: Churches and church members were to be destroyed in 1918 and Jehovah’s Witnesses glorified (The Finished Mystery, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, 1917 edition, p. 404, 485). “However, suddenly, there came an end to World War I. It did not lead on, as Bible students expected, into world revolution and anarchy or the battle of Armageddon. And the sincere worshippers of Jehovah, who were in the new covenant with him through his Mediator Jesus Christ, found themselves still in the flesh on the earth” (Man’s Salvation Out of World Distress at Hand, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, 1975, p. 98).

    Mountains, Republics, and Kingdoms Disappear at 1920: “And the mountains were not found. Even the republics will disappear in the fall of 1920. And the mountains were not found. Every kingdom of earth will pass away, be swallowed up in anarchy” (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 7, “The Finished Mystery,” Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, 1917 edition, p. 258).

    Faithful Men of the Old Testament Return at 1925: “Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the faithful prophets of old…There will be no slip-up…Abraham should enter upon the actual possession of his promised inheritance in the year 1925” (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1918, p. 89; Watchtower, Oct. 15, 1917, p. 6157).

    A House Built for the Return of the Old Testament Faithful at 1929. It’s Still There Today!: “At Sand Diego, California, there is a small piece of land, on which, in the year 1929, there was built a house, which is called and known as Beth-Sarim. The Hebrew words Beth Sarim mean “House of the Princes”; and the purpose of acquiring that property and building the house was that there might be some tangible proof that there are those on earth today who fully believe God and Christ Jesus and in His kingdom, and who believe that the faithful men of old will soon be resurrected by the Lord, be back on earth, and take charge of the visible affairs of earth. The occupation of the house by the princes was to ‘be a confirmation of the faith and hope that induced the building of Beth-Sarim” (Salvation, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, 1939, pp. 311-312).

    The Overthrow of Christendom at 1932: “They had preached that in an early time God would overthrow ‘Christendom.’ Many had emphasized the year 1925 as the date, and then when that date did not materialize the date was moved up to 1932. Again, 1932 came and ‘Christendom’ was not destroyed” (The Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1938, p. 54).

    The Millennium to Begin at 1975: “According to the trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E.” (Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, 1966, p. 29).

    This stuff the older books and writings of the Watch Tower is what they do not want the average JW to see. This is just a summery of all of the false prophecy over the years. As I've said before I can't make this up but it can all be verified with just a small amount of research. If the Watch Tower can not be trusted and they claim to
    be the voice of God then their God is not very good at knowing the future at all.
    They have a false God.

    Manny
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    A way longer list of false prophecy

    Watching Watchtower History

    Written by: Branch, Rick/ Walker, James Posted on: 05/02/2003

    Category: Cults / Sects / Non Christian Religions and Topics

    Source: CCN

    Watching Watchtower History Research by Rich Branch, Arlington, TX

    Compiled and written by James Walker and Rick Branch, Arlington, TX

    1870

    Charles Taze Russell "by accident" happens into a religious meeting where "Second Adventism" was being taught by Jonas Wendell. Russell's "wavering faith" in the Bible is re- established. Eventually he concludes that, "...we were living somewhere near the close of the Gospel Age" (Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, 1916, pp. 170-171). Charles Russell, his father and others form a small Bible study in Allegheny, Pennsylvania (Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, 1916, pp. 170-171).

    1874

    Second Coming: Another Second Adventist, Nelson Barbour, announces Christ's invisible second presence in 1874 (Zion's Watch Tower, February 1881, p. 3; Oct./Nov., 1881, p. 3) Christ returned invisibly (original date) and Armageddon began (The Finished Mystery, pp. 485, 513 and Zion's Watch Tower, 15 January 1892, p. 22). [see 1914]

    1876

    Charles Taze Russell reads Herald of the Morning, a magazine by Second Adventist, Nelson Barbour, and receives its message with "surprise and gratification" (Zion's Watch Tower, 15 July 1906, pp. 230-31). Russell personally meets with Barbour who convinces him of the invisible presence of Christ in 1874 (Zion's Watch Tower, 1916, pp. 170-171).

    1877

    Second Coming: Russell and Barbour jointly publish Three Worlds or Plan of Redemption. "This book set forth their belief that Christ's second presence began invisibly in the fall of 1874 and thereby commenced a forty-year harvest period. Then, remarkably accurately, they set forth the year 1914 as the end of the Gentile times..." (Qualified To Be Ministers, p. 300). [see 1914]

    1879

    Growth: Russell publishes the first issue of Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence forerunner of today's Watchtower with an initial printing of 6,000 (The Finished Mystery, p. 4).

    1884

    Growth: "Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society" incorporated in Pennsylvania (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, p. 27).

    1886

    Higher Powers: In volume 1 of Studies in the Scriptures released by Russell the "Higher Powers" of Romans 13 are identified as human government (p. 266). [see 1929 and 1962]

    1889

    False Prophecy: Volume II of Studies in the Scriptures, entitled The Time is at Hand announces, "...that six thousand years from the creation of Adam were complete with A.D. 1872." It also predicts Battle of Armageddon, "...will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership" (pp. 76-77, 99, 101). [see 1894, 1914, 1932 and 1968]

    1891

    Cross and Crown logo adopted for the cover of all Zion's Watch Tower magazines (1975 Yearbook, p. 148). [see 1928 and 1931]

    1893

    Growth: First "national assembly" attracts 360 people (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, p. 33).

    1894

    Joseph Rutherford begins his first study with Watch Tower representatives (Jehovah's Witness In The Divine Purpose, p. 65).

    False Prophecy: Under the heading, "Can It Be Delayed?" until 1914, Watch Tower readers write with a serious question. "Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date.... We see no reason for changing the figures nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble" (15 July 1894, p. 226). [see 1889, 1914, 1932 and 1968]

    1899

    Russell begins a program for passing out millions of the Society's tracts in front of Christian churches (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, p. 40).

    1900

    Growth: The first foreign Branch Office opens in London, England (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, p. 32).

    1904

    Faithful and Wise Servant: "Who then is the faithful and wise steward whom his Lord shall set over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? The implication seems to be that when the right time should come for understanding the parable, it would be clearly set forth: that at the time of the parable's fulfillment the Lord would appoint a servant in the household to bring these matters to the attention of all the servants, and that certain responsibilities would rest upon such a one respecting the dispatch of his duties" (Watch Tower, 15 April 1904, p. 3355-3356). [see 1919, 1923, 1969 and 1973]

    1906

    Joseph Franklin Rutherford, who will become the second president of the Watchtower organization, becomes an "ordained" Jehovah's Witness minister (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, p. 65).

    1909

    The "People's Pulpit Association" is incorporated in the State of New York (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, pp. 48-49).

    1910

    Bible: Jehovah's Witnesses are told not to read the Bible by itself, because it is not the final authority. "Furthermore, not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if anyone lays the Scripture Studies (Studies in the Scriptures) aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the Scripture Studies with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of two years, because he would have the light of the Scriptures" (Watch Tower, 15 September 1910, p. 298). [see 1922 and 1951]

    1913

    Intelligence: Russell provided this insight into determining the intelligence of a being. "Stand a man alongside of a dog. Look at their heads. The one slopes back; there is no place for the intellectual qualities at all, or at least a very small place for the thinking apparatus man has. He has more brain than the dog. If we could make a dog with the same head as a man, he would think the same as a man" (The Watch Tower, 15 March 1913, p. 667).

    1914

    WORLD DOES NOT END [See 1894, 1929 and 1930]

    Second Coming: Christ returns invisibly (Golden Age, 1930, p. 503; 1934, pp. 379-80). [see 1874, 1889, 1894, 1932, and 1968]

    Second Coming: Mankind has entered the time of the end. "The Gentile times ended in the autumn of 1914, and Jesus was enthroned as Jehovah's Representative in The Theocratic Government. Three and a half years after that would end in the spring of 1918. ... The old heavens and earth having thus been disposed of, this wicked world, which has been in its `time of the end' since 1914, will come to its final end" (The Kingdom Is At Hand, pp. 328 and 350). [see 1918 and 1988]

    1916

    Russell dies October 31st on a train in Texas (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, p. 61).

    Faithful and Wise Servant: "Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of `that faithful and wise servant,' and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation" (Watch Tower, 1 December 1916, p. 5998). [see 1904, 1917 F., 1919, 1923, 1927, 1969 and 1973]

    1917

    Joseph F. Rutherford becomes the society's 2nd President (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, p. 64).

    Growth: Volume VII of Studies in the Scriptures titled, The Finished Mystery, was published as the "posthumous work of Pastor Russell." It taught:

    Nelson Barbour is identified as "the Evil servant" of Matt. 24:48-51 (pp. 54, 386). [see 1876]

    Jesus is the "Almighty" of Rev. 1:8 (p. 15).

    False Prophecy: "Also, in the year 1918, when God destroys the churches wholesale and the church members by millions..." (p. 485).

    Human government will end. "Even the republics will disappear in the fall of 1920" (p. 258).

    "Abaddon" of Revelations 9 clearly identified as "Satan the Devil" (p. 159). [see 1969]

    Faithful and Wise Servant: Pastor Russell identified as, "that wise and faithful servant" giving "meat in due season" (pp. 4-5). [see 1904, 1916, 1919, 1923, 1926, 1927, 1969 and 1973].

    1918

    CHURCHES ARE NOT "DESTROYED WHOLESALE." [see 1917, 1929 and 1930].

    Splinter group: Controversy over the release of The Finished Mystery creates splinter groups (e.g. Dawn Bible Students Association and Layman's Home Missionary Movement) over the next few years (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, pp. 72-73).

    Canadian Government: In February, the Canadian government forbids anyone to possess copies of Watchtower periodicals. The government alleges the material contains seditious and anti-war statements (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, pp. ...
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    1919

    Growth: First issue of The Golden Age appeared (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, p. 89). [see 1937 and 1946]

    Faithful and Wise Servant: In the Topical Index published by the Watchtower Society, for the years July 1879 through June 1919, under the heading "The Servant," was found the following: "An individual, not a class" (p. 6611). [see 1904, 1916, 1917 F., 1923, 1927, 1969 and 1973]

    1920

    ALL HUMAN GOVERNMENTS AND "REPUBLICS" DO NOT "DISAPPEAR" [see 1917 D.]

    Millions Campaign begins (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, p. 98).

    False Prophecy: The book Millions Now Living Will Never Die predicts, "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob... to the condition of human perfection" (pp. 89-90). [see 1922, 1924, 1925, 1932, 1942 and 1968]

    1922

    Faithful and Wise Servant: Divine Truth came only from Charles Taze Russell. "There is no one in present truth today who can honestly say that he received a knowledge of the divine plan from any source other than by the ministry of Brother Russell, either directly or indirectly" (Watch Tower, 1 May 1922, p. 132).

    Faithful and Wise Servant: Russell still the only true channel, "...every indication of the Lord's providence has shown that God gave Brother Russell to the church to be as a mouthpiece for him; and those who claim to have learned the truth apart from Brother Russell and his writings have been manifested by the Lord as deceivers, ready to lead the flock of God in their way.... Satan has attempted by many attacks upon this fact to break it down; to cause the Lord's people to believe: (1) that Brother Russell was not the only channel by which the Lord would lead his people..." (Watch Tower, 15 September 1922, p. 279). [see 1910 and 1951]

    False prophecy: "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by Scripture because it is fixed by the law God gave to Israel" (Watch Tower, 1 September 1922, p. 262). [see 1920, 1924, 1925, 1932 and 1968]

    1923

    Faithful and Wise Servant: "The one who fills that office is made ruler over all the Lord's goods during the time of his incumbency in office.... We believe that all who are now rejoicing in present truth will concede that Brother Russell faithfully filled the office of special servant of the Lord; and that he was made ruler over all the Lord's goods" (Watch Tower, 1 March 1923, p. 68). [see 1904, 1916, 1917 F., 1919, 1927, 1969 and 1973]

    False Prophecy: This same year a Watchtower reader wrote to Watchtower headquarters with a very serious question. "Have we more reason, or as much, to believe the kingdom will be established in 1925 than Noah had to believe that there would be a flood?...

    "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures..." (Watchtower, 1 April 1923, p. 106). [See 1924, 1925, 1932, 1942 and 1943]

    1924

    False Prophecy: "The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in the Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914" (Watch Tower, 15 July 1924, p. 211). [see 1920, 1922, 1925, 1932 and 1968]

    1925

    ABRAHAM AND COMPANY ARE NOT RESURRECTED. [see 1920, 1922, 1924, 1929, 1930, 1932 and 1968]

    1926

    False Prophecy: Realizing they had made a false prophecy, when the Jehovah's Witnesses reprinted their own book, they altered the wording. "Also, in the year 1918, when God begins to destroy the churches and the church members by the millions..." (Finished Mystery, 1926 ed., p. 485). No indication was made to alert the new reader that this portion had been altered. [see 1917]

    1927

    Faithful and Wise Servant: "This erroneous thought that Russell himself was the `faithful and wise servant' was cleared up." The "servant" had now become a "class" (1975 Yearbook, p. 88). [see 1904, 1916, 1917, 1923, 1969 and 1973]

    1928

    Cross and Crown logo "...to Brother Rutherford's mind was Babylonish and should be discontinued." He said they are, "...not only unnecessary but objectionable" (1975 Yearbook, p. 148). [see 1891 and 1931]

    God's Home Planet: Where does God live? "The constellation of the seven stars forming the Pleiades appears to be the crowning center around which the known systems of the planets revolve even as our sun's planets obey the sun and travel in their respective orbits. It has been suggested, and with much weight, that one of the stars of that group is the dwelling-place of Jehovah and the place of the highest heavens....

    "The constellation of the Pleiades is a small one compared with others which scientific instruments disclose to the wondering eyes of man. But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is small when compared with the Pleiades in importance, because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God" (Reconciliation, p. 14).

    1929

    Higher Powers of Romans 13 are identified as "Jehovah God and Christ Jesus" (The Truth Shall Make You Free, p. 312). [see 1886 and 1962]

    Beth-Sarim: A house in San Diego, California called "Beth-Sarim" is built for "the purpose of acquiring that property and building the house" for "the faithful men of old (Abraham, etc.) will soon be resurrected by the Lord..." (Salvation, p. 311; parenthesis added). [see 1925, 1942 and 1974]

    False Prophets: Concerned about the many false prophets in the world, the Watchtower provides the following instructions: "While they claim to speak in the name of the Lord, their predictions neither come true nor tend to magnify Jehovah's name. According to the divine rule they prove to be false, and the Lord promises that in due time he will deal with them as he does with all hypocrites. Matt. 24:51.

    "From the rules by which the prophets would be tested or judged it is evident that some things which were spoken in the name of Jehovah by the prophets were to have fulfillment soon after the time spoken. But the coming to pass of some of these events was not alone sufficient to prove one a prophet....

    "This is an important point in studying prophecy, and the student must keep it in mind. The test was provided by Jehovah, and to such test all the prophecies must be subjected.... If these prophecies have not been fulfilled, and if all possibility of fulfillment is past, then these prophets are proven false" (Prophecy, p. 22). [See 1894, 1920 and 1968]

    1930

    False Prophets: The Society again explains how, "...to know whether one is a true or a false prophet.... If he is a true prophet, his message will come to pass exactly as prophesied. If he is a false prophet, his prophecy will fail to come to pass" (Watch Tower, 15 May 1930, p. 154).

    False Prophets: In speaking about other prophets, Rutherford explains in another of his books, "They have been thus prophesying particularly since 1918, and everyone knows that their prophecies to date have not come to pass; and that alone is strong evidence that they are false prophets.... It is therefore seen that they fail to meet a single one of the requirements to prove that they are true prophets þ Deut. 18:21-22" (Light, Book Two, p. 47).

    1931

    Vaccinations are called a "great evil." "Vaccination has never saved a human life. It does not prevent smallpox" (Golden Age, 4 February 1931, pp. 293-294). [see 1965]

    Growth: The name "Jehovah's Witnesses" adopted for the first time (1932 Yearbook, pp. 22-23). Cross and Crown logo finally dropped from the Watchtower (1975 Yearbook, p. 148). [see 1891 and 1928]

    False Prophecy: Concerning the various false dates predicted in this Watchtower history, Rutherford wrote, "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1914, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time. Later the faithful learned that these dates were definitely fixed in the Scriptures; and they also learned to quit fixing dates for the future and predicting what would come to pass on a certain date..." (Vindication, Vol. 1, pp. 338-39). This statement is interesting because of the two things learned by the Watchtower. They learned the dates were correct and to stop fixing dates! It was a lesson they would soon forget. [see 1914, 1925, 1943, 1968, 1988 and 1989]

    1935

    Two Class Salvation: The 144,000 or "anointed class" are joined by the "other sheep," called the "Jonadab class" or the "great crowd" class. Those of the second class or "other sheep" are not born again and have no hope of heaven but hope to survive Armageddon to live on paradise earth (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, p. 140).

    American Flag: Saluting the flag is declared an "act of worship" and therefore forbidden (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, p. 144).

    1937

    Growth: The Society withdraws from commercial radio and begins major phonograph campaign using portable record players door-to-door (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, p. 188).

    Growth: The Golden Age changes its name to Consolation (Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose, p. 89). [see 1919 and 1946]

    1938

    False Prophecy: Because the end is so close Jehovah's Witnesses are told to wait until after Armageddon to "marry and rear children" (Watchtower, 1 November 1938, p. 323). [Note: 1 Tim. 4:3]

    False Prophecy: This idea is again reiterated in the book Face The Facts when it says "If this conclusion is Scripturally correct, then it would mean that those men and women forming the `great multitude' will marry and bring forth children in righte...
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    Crap forget it!!! It just keeps on going up to 1975

    I do find this tid bit interesting being that JW's consider crosses and idolatrous?

    1891

    Cross and Crown logo adopted for the cover of all Zion's Watch Tower magazines (1975 Yearbook, p. 148). [see 1928 and 1931]


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    Originally posted by menace71
    I can say distinctly and precisely that the Watch Tower Society should be rejected just based off their 100+ years of false prophecy and contradictory statements in their own writings. If held to the standard of what a false prophet is it can be summed up that the Watch Tower should be ignored completely.

    The Beginning of the Millennium at 1872: “In ...[text shortened]... hen their God is not very good at knowing the future at all.
    They have a false God.

    Manny
    Lol...It's not what they want the average JW to see? What does that mean? You see it why can't we see it?
    Almost every Kingdom Hall in the world has some kind of library either partially because of age of the congregation or whole as most older halls have. I grew up in an older Hall and in full view and available to every Witness to use was a library with every book, magazine, brochure the WTS has ever printed including that info you think is such a secret.
    And guess what Manny...we all have looked in them and have read most because we want to learn as much as we can and we are very proud of the early Brothers whome God used to start a " People for his name."
    And we are especially proud that we have learned more and more each year about the future and that God in "his apponted time" has made the truth " Brighter and brighter as the day draws near."
    This has all been explained to you many times so why do you still harp on this which is something every Witness already knows.
    I knew of that when I was 10 or younger and it has made me proud that Jehovah has worked thru the WatchTower Society and has let us learn more and more facts and truths as time goes by.
    It's sure a better thing then the old and out of date so called Christian religions that are still stuck in the dark ages from dark ages pagan inspired beliefs such as the trinity.
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    Originally posted by galveston75
    Lol...It's not what they want the average JW to see? What does that mean? You see it why can't we see it?
    Almost every Kingdom Hall in the world has some kind of library either partially because of age of the congregation or whole as most older halls have. I grew up in an older Hall and in full view and available to every Witness to use was a library w ...[text shortened]... still stuck in the dark ages from dark ages pagan inspired beliefs such as the trinity.
    It is good to learn, if you learn the truth. For the truth will set you free.
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    yes indeed and here is the truth perpetrated by your churches, religious persons, so
    called christians against innocent women and little children, why does our friend not
    mention, the expulsions from schools, the mob violence, innocent persons being tarred
    and feathered because of their obedience to Christ's command, persons homes and
    property being subjected to vandalism? perhaps he is so cowardly or too ashamed,
    words fail me to describe the utter hypocrisy and contempt for Christ's commands.

    http://bringonthegoodnews.blogspot.com/2009/07/mob-violence-in-north-america.html

    There were so many violent attacks upon Jehovah's Witnesses that Mrs. Eleanor
    Roosevelt pleaded with the public to desist. On June 16, 1940, the U.S. solicitor
    general, Francis Biddle, in a coast-to-coast radio broadcast, made specific reference
    to the atrocities committed against the Witnesses and said these would not be
    tolerated. . . . .Jehovah's witnesses have been assaulted, beaten, kidnapped, driven
    out of towns, counties and states, tarred and feathered, forced to drink castor oil,
    tied together and chased like dumb beasts through the streets, castrated and
    maimed, taunted and insulted by demonized crowds, jailed by the hundreds without
    charge and held incommunicado and denied the privilege of conferring with
    relatives, friends or lawyers. Many other hundreds have been jailed and held in
    so-called 'protective custody'; some have been shot in the nighttime; some
    threatened with hanging and beaten into unconsciousness. Numerous varieties of
    mob violence have occurred. Many have had their clothes torn from them, their
    Bibles and other literature seized and publicly burned; their automobiles, trailers,
    homes and assembly places wrecked and fired...In numerous instances where trials
    have been held in mob-ruled communities, lawyers as well as witnesses have been
    mobbed and beaten while attending court. In almost every case where there has
    been mob violence the public officials have stood idly by and refused to give
    protection, and in scores of instances the officers of the law have participated in the
    mobs and sometimes actually led the mobs." From 1940 to 1944, more than 2,500
    violent mobs assaulted Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States.

    Indeed who perpetrated these acts of atrocities, so called American Christians, why
    doesn't our friend mention that? Yes indeed the truth shall set you free, but
    apparently he just forgot what the truth was, like he was really interested in truth in
    the first place. What have you people to say for yourselves? In fact please spare
    me i dont think i can take any more of your hypocrisy.

    (Matthew 7:16-20) . . .By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do
    people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?  Likewise every
    good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit;  a
    good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit.
     Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire.
     Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men.
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    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yes indeed and here is the truth perpetrated by your churches, religious persons, so
    called christians against innocent women and little children, why does our friend not
    mention, the expulsions from schools, the mob violence, innocent persons being tarred
    and feathered because of their obedience to Christ's command, persons homes and
    propert ...[text shortened]... wn into the fire.
     [b]Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men.
    [/b]
    Due you really think pointing out fault others have makes the information
    Manny posted about the History of the Jehovah's Witnessess untrue?
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    01 May '11 11:22
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Due you really think pointing out fault others have makes the information
    Manny posted about the History of the Jehovah's Witnessess untrue?
    I think we are interested in truth, and i was amazed how one sided his truth actually
    was, now what have you to say in defence of those who perpetrated those acts, those
    American Christians, i want to here you say it.
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    01 May '11 11:51
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    I think we are interested in truth, and i was amazed how one sided his truth actually
    was, now what have you to say in defence of those who perpetrated those acts, those
    American Christians, i want to here you say it.
    You should start a thread about that, for sure. Meanwhile, what about this OP and topic?
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    01 May '11 12:05
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    I think we are interested in truth, and i was amazed how one sided his truth actually
    was, now what have you to say in defence of those who perpetrated those acts, those
    American Christians, i want to here you say it.
    I do not defend the acts of cruelty of anyone, so called Christians, whether
    they are American or from any other nation. But man is in need of a Savior,
    that is, our great God and Savior, Jesus the Christ. But how can you, in
    good conscience, point the finger at others and still not see your own faults
    and the faults of the whole Jehovah's witnessess Organization.
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    01 May '11 12:17
    Amazing how Robbie and Galvo once again refuse to respond to the OP. The point is simple. How can your organisation claim any authority when its teachings over a century are full of inconsistencies? At the very least, the false prophecies which Manny showed should give you reason to be cautious whenever your organisation interprets scripture.
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    01 May '11 12:571 edit
    Let's be clear. All religious organisations have people in them who err; the fundamental difference with the JW's (and the Mormons + other sects) is that they claim to hold all of God's truth and hold the access to the alleged 144,000, and security in God etc.

    The problem that stems from that, is the enormous pressure that can be put upon people within the organisation to conform or be dis-fellowshiped, which in turn creates a potential religious prison from which freedom in Christ can be lost.

    It is difficult to defend a flawed organisation; the wonderful freedom and security there is in Christ provides that JW's don't have to stay in they can just leave and seek God for themselves.
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    01 May '11 15:12
    Originally posted by Conrau K
    Amazing how Robbie and Galvo once again refuse to respond to the OP. The point is simple. How can your organisation claim any authority when its teachings over a century are full of inconsistencies? At the very least, the false prophecies which Manny showed should give you reason to be cautious whenever your organisation interprets scripture.
    we have been through this before, the whole premise fails, because we have originated
    no prophecy, we have merely sought to understand prophecy that was already
    written, making any claims to false prophecy erroneous. Like Christs disciples we
    have been mistaken, did they not also think that Christ was going to restore the
    Kingdom to Israel at that very time? yes indeed! Last time i looked perfection was not
    a requirement unless of course your the Pontifex Maximus!
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    01 May '11 15:14
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I do not defend the acts of cruelty of anyone, so called Christians, whether
    they are American or from any other nation. But man is in need of a Savior,
    that is, our great God and Savior, Jesus the Christ. But how can you, in
    good conscience, point the finger at others and still not see your own faults
    and the faults of the whole Jehovah's witnessess Organization.
    but they were Christians, American Christians, how are you to account for their behaviour. 'By their fruits you will recognise those men.'
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