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Originally posted by FMF
How can animals or children give their informed consent to marriage or sex? Is it homosexuals [b]coercing each other into sex that you object to? Seeking to conflate homosexuality with bestiality and paedophilia is the kind of clumsy doesn't-withstand-scrutiny gambit which we get on the Debates Forum from boggle-eyed far right misanthropes.[/b]
How can animals or children give their informed consent to marriage or sex?
Maybe they cannot. That is not an issue. What is an issue is that bestiality is so far kept under cover. But I think it is probably on the rise too.
The trend with sinful man is to eventually come out of the underground, out of the closet so to speak. That is to be "lud and proud" about the corruption which they cannot escape. Eventually many just decide to embrace their sinfulness and even boast in it, demanding that the world accept them.
What we saw in the Canaanite societies was not a vain show. It was a warning. The insatiable "free love" of the generation of the 60s left many people still feeling unsatisfied of course. Then the fallen mind begins to reason. "Well, if free recreational sexual activity was not the thing to make me happy, maybe there is something else. Maybe homosexuality." And if that does not satisfy then the limits of emotional and sexual limits will be pushed to other areas.
I like to be as optimistic as any humanist. I too like to think the best of human progress. But I am afraid that what ought to be will not be what is - judging from man's past track record.
Is it homosexuals coercing each other into sex that you object to?
When I was a young boy, I certainly had incidents where some stronger person tried to coerce me to be used in a most wicked way. Joe friendly Humanist was not around vouch for the innate goodness and self control of everybody, the way some of you skeptics are doing here.
Society is sinking. It is degrading into more and more immorality. Only God's mercy is keeping everything from completely going beserk.
"For the mystery of lawlessness that is now operating, but only until the one now restraining goes out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed (whom the Lord Jesus will slay by the breath of His mouth and bring to nothing by manifestation of His coming), the coming of whom is according to Satan's operation in all power and signs and wonders of a lie and all deceit of unrighteousness among those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth that they might be saved." ( 2 Thess. 2:7-10)
We may thank God Almighty that SOMETHING is restraining the human race from totally spiraling out of control into the most sinful anarchy. One day, that SOMETHING, will be removed. Then you will not need to go to the Movies to be terrified and disgusted. The pits of the occult and immorality will open up in people's hearts.
The Bible says that the mystery of lawlessness is operating. Filth is bubbling up from below. So we need to be saved in many ways.
Seeking to conflate homosexuality with bestiality and paedophilia is the kind of clumsy doesn't-withstand-scrutiny gambit which we get on the Debates Forum from boggle-eyed far right misanthropes.
The fact of the matter is that even if I am wrong, it is still the right thing for me to follow the Son of God. And following Him He instructs His disciples to announce the Gospel to every creature under heaven. So we preach.
And the response of people wanting to know salvation is very encouraging.
Originally posted by jaywill"So we preach"How can animals or children give their informed consent to marriage or sex?
Maybe they cannot. That is not an issue. What is an issue is that bestiality is so far kept under cover. But I think it is probably on the rise too.
The trend with sinful man is to eventually come out of the underground, out of the closet so to speak. That i ...[text shortened]... each.
And the response of people wanting to know salvation is very encouraging.
Careful there... I hope you are trying to be a bit more mindful than some of the other 'midnight street preachers ' .
Just remember to go on people's body language to see how they really feel about your sermon 🙂
Originally posted by jaywillIt absolutely is an issue. You conflated homosexuality with having sex with animals and children and then you say giving or not being able to give their informed consent to marriage or sex is "not an issue" when discussing the "morality" of that homosexual sex. I've called you out for conflating non-consensual sex/rape with homosexuality, and your response is that it's not an issue?FMF: How can animals or children give their informed consent to marriage or sex?
Maybe they cannot. That is not an issue.
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Originally posted by jaywillthe word 'tolerate' means putting up with something you disagree with. so you disagree with homosexuality, this makes you a homophobe.you seem to be proud that you are 'tolerant' but when it comes to homosexuality there should be nothing that needs tolerating.
I am not proud. I am thankful that the humanity of Christ is so pure and so fine. I am in the process of learning to have His tastes, attitudes, actions, reactions to people of all types.
You really should st ...[text shortened]... hall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." (John 8:32) [/b]
although you tow the church line and consent to what ever jesus wants you to say about homosexuality, id like to know what your own personal opinion is on homosexuality. why do you think gods made it a sin?
" You really should study how Jesus Himself dealt with all kinds of sinners in the Gospels. What a MAN He is. And His life is available to us because "the last Adam became a life giving Spirit"
jesus doesnt deserve a pat on the back for being really nice with sinners. he needs a slap around the back of the head and told he's a naughty little bigot for thinking gays are sinners in the first place.
Do you know how tolerant and forebearing the Lord Jesus was with ME ?? It is a joy that I can live through Him and express some of that same forebearance and love towards sinners.
you may find joy in tolerating people, its extremely patronizing for the person being tolerated. why would you find pleasure in being able to put up with people, it should be instinct and a natural action of a modern developed human with emotional intelligence to get along with those who are different to us.
Paul's word that such will not inherit the kingdom of God is not a word about going to hell. It is a word about the believer not being sufficiently sanctified to be a practical participant in the coming kingdom of God in the 1,000 year millennial kingdom.
You may fail to differentiate between eternal salvation and sanctification for the reward of the millennial kingdom of 1,000 years before the eternal age begins.
This depends on how you understand these words that Paul spoke to Christians, for whom the question of eternal redemption was already settled in the affirmative:
the end of time business is hard for me to follow or use accurately for the person im debating with as you all seem to have completely different ideas of whats going to happen. which in itself is rather odd.
in your take on the after life, the gays have to wait a bit longer to be resurrected with the rest of the sinners. what happens when the face god and they are still super-gay?
you also seem to imply with out actually saying it. are you saying that jesus will 'cure' homosexuals if they believe in him? (by believe do you mean support him or acknowledge his existence?)
So nothing I have written explained that a homosexual will perish forever if she or he believes into Christ for salvation. That meets his or her need. What about God's need though ? God needs to conform us to the image of Christ in sanctification for participants in His kingdom.
when you say 'believes into christ of salvation' does the person have to agree that they need salvation?
why does god need us to conform us to the image of christ.
If you really cared you would believe into Jesus Christ yourself. The greatest gift of love you could give to your gay friends is for you yourself to show them you have trusted in Jesus.
if you really cared you would take time to formulate your own opinions on what is right or wrong. i build my morals from the bottom up so they have strong foundations. you get your morals passed down to you with little rhyme or reason forcing you to try and justify them, they are built on nothing and move like shifting sands, which is why it is so easy to poke holes in them.
It is rather tragic that one goes through life with so many excuses not to trust in the saving work of Christ.
the opposite is true, ive said before i mainly came on here to understand christianity better (as it is so alien to me) when my young daughter became interested in it. i think ive learnt more about the contents of the bible but when it comes to morals, its like a thin crust with a huge vacuum beneath it. every debate i get into, as soon as we get beneath the scripture and words we find a emptiness, a lack of information. christians go from being united in belief in the text to having nothing underneath to explain 'why' nothing to help with the actual complexities of the issues it skims over. the bible seems like a magic eye picture, it looks like there is a a tone of information but when you look past it, its just a simplistic child like picture. simple, for simple people who cannot think for themselves.
You don't care for them. You only love yourself so as to keep yourself away from the Son of God. If you loved your gay friends you would show them that you too have trusted in Christ for salvation.
what? i guess this would make sense if i was a christian, as im not it reads like gibberish.
Iniquity is on the rise. Some proud graduate student or Phd. goes about to make a name for himself by encouraging people that the sin in their flesh is something they should just accept.
Tomorrow it may be that to marry one's own son or daughter is something we ar born with. Perhaps the marriage of animals will be a right that other deceived people will clamor for. Perhaps people will fight for the right to molest children.
This is not being "progressive". This is society rotting. You accuse me of pride. But I think you are proud that you are being swept away downstream like a dead leaf, in societies ever worsening corruption.
you sound like you are about to put on your 'end of the world' placard. i find this 'the world is getting worse' argument bizarre. have a look around you, have a look at the world we live in. in what way is it getting worse? im not saying it hasnt got problems, but if you look into history its pretty damn obvious we live in the best time.
you tell me one point in history in which the world was better? [/b]
last time i checked we were not all about to start humping our pets and children, if you think this, then you have some dark issues you need help with. did you know that generation x is predicted to swing away from the capitalistic right-wing politics that have plagued the world for the last 50yrs, this next generation are going to be more sociable (on a personal and global level) more generous, care more about the environment and less about personal possessions. so despite your claims there is a good chance the world on average is going to become even more emotionally intelligent.
how do you formulate this opinion that things are getting worse, what evidence do you use?
you tell me one point in history in which the world was better?
"Go read some testimonies from those who have found release in and freedom in Jesus Christ. I'm sure if you put in some effort you can find some who will vouch for the saving grace they found in Jesus.
im fully aware that there will be homosexuals that have found got. im interested in your take on what happens? are they cured of their sexual leanings or do they learn the ability to ignore their feelings?
Originally posted by RBHILLYour post is so blatantly retarded l find it hard to believe you have got through life this far.
It is because there is a lot of adult to child stuff that goes on it the gay peoples life style.
Lots of the gay men rape little boys.
Such wilful misuse of a human brain.
The shame of going through life as you must be unbearable.
Fsrking homphobic stupid ass son of a bitch.
Originally posted by RBHILLI was also going to take issue with this outburst of profoundly bigoted ignorance, but I think nook7 said it better than I would've. You're a very sick individual.
It is because there is a lot of adult to child stuff that goes on it the gay peoples life style.
Lots of the gay men rape little boys.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatRBHill, the poster who once asked -
I was also going to take issue with this outburst of profoundly bigoted ignorance, but I think nook7 said it better than I would've. You're a very sick individual.
If God doesn't exist then how do you explain speaking in tongues?
Everything about his intellectual capacity can be summed up with that one question.