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Originally posted by jaywillBut you did not say anything about "the Law of Noses" and what it means.You say, "...I can also seek professional help with some things. We are under grace and not under the Law of Moses. "
Actually two thoughts were in that paragraph, which I should have made more distinct from each other.
First - The comment about professional help is like this. If you, say, have a past with alcholism when you receive the bible and by the personal testimonies of Christians down through the many years.
P.S. I think sunhouse could benefit.
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Originally posted by RJHindsIt doesn't matter what the Law of Moses means if we are not under it, which is what Jaywill said; it only matters what the law we are under, means.
But you did not say anything about "the Law of Noses" and what it means.
P.S. I think sunhouse could benefit.
Do you think we are under the Law of Moses?
-Removed-Here's the exchange, or at least, here's what I found: PK: It wasn't, but you made the distinction. Would you have heterosexual paedpophiles castrated as well?
robbie: dude if it was up to me, id castrate the lot of them, myself, with a rusty saw, be thankful that God is patient.
So maybe robbie is admitting his natural urges, which he suggests are only held in check by his faith.
I'd say, if his faith is what keeps him from resorting to vigilante mayhem, let it be. We have enough vigilante mayhem, these days.
Originally posted by FMFI like to think that he is waiting for his next Kingdom Hall meeting to discuss the points we are raising, so a response can be framed. It would make sense.
I notice that robbie often totally ignores points made by JS357, for similar reasons presumably.
I like to think that.
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Originally posted by JS357If it was up to me, I wouldn't attack homosexuals or sex offenders with a rusty saw. robbie would: or maybe he only meant homosexual sex offenders, it wasn't quite clear to me. But something written in an ancient book he happens to like prevents him from doing so. Sounds a bit arbitrary to me, especially when he just conjures up "morality" and "immorality" and claims it is based on the ancient book when it suits him, as he has done on this thread. For me, my not resorting to attacking people with rusty saws, or resorting to vigilante mayhem, does not need 'robbie's ancient book' thing. Not for me. But, yes. You're right. "faith" can keep some kinds of nastiness in check; and yet it can form the basis of plenty of nastiness too. However, I agree. It's just as well that stuff isn't "up to" robbie.
robbie: dude if it was up to me, id castrate the lot of them, myself, with a rusty saw, be thankful that God is patient.
So maybe robbie is admitting his natural urges, which he suggests are only held in check by his faith.
I'd say, if his faith is what keeps him from resorting to vigilante mayhem, let it be. We have enough vigilante mayhem, these days.
Originally posted by JS357i kinda zoned out for a moment here, ever since i mentioned blowjobs for a moment and you guys went for several hundred posts so i might not be up to speed with the discussion.
Here's the exchange, or at least, here's what I found: PK: It wasn't, but you made the distinction. Would you have heterosexual paedpophiles castrated as well?
robbie: dude if it was up to me, id castrate the lot of them, myself, with a rusty saw, be thankful that God is patient.
So maybe robbie is admitting his natural urges, which he suggests are only ...[text shortened]... from resorting to vigilante mayhem, let it be. We have enough vigilante mayhem, these days.
did i understand correctly and you are picking on robbie for wanting to castrate pedophiles? i must side with robbie on this one. of course, not the equally psychotic rusty saw method. and (maybe) not for one time offenders. but chemical castrations for serial rapists are not only ok in my opinion but even more humane.
we forcibly medicate mental patients. why not forcibly medicate serial rapists who do not think alien squirrels from another dimensions are out to eat their nuts but scar a child or several for life. "Life-threatening side effects are rare" according to the great wikipedia. the alternative would be to send such a man to prison (which are awesome in rehabilitating convicts) for a certain period of time (which in most countries is laughably short in case of rape).
so what exactly do you find "cruel" in medicating these "beings"
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Originally posted by FMF
So the words [b]"things like these" mean - as far as you are concerned - that you can add what you want to the list of things you personally want to condemn?[/b]
So the words "things like these" mean - as far as you are concerned - that you can add what you want to the list of things you personally want to condemn?
No, that would not be that easy. I cannot in good conscience and with no fear of God, simply add my personal preference of things I would like to portray as wrong.
In attempting to do so I might be found - sectarian - "sects" were listed. I might be found being factious - "factions" was mentioned.
Say I have a personal distaste for interracial marriage. Say I attempt to teach interracial marriage as a sin. In attempting to do so discerning brothers and sisters may detect that I am being divisive - as "divisions" was listed. I might be exposed by the Holy Spirit as pushing "strife".
Even in speaking of something legitimately condemned I may STILL display "strife" or "divisions" or a "sect" or an "outburst of anger".
Beside the positive fruits of the Spirit are also enumerated by Paul as "love, joy, peace, long suffering, kindness, goodness ... meekness ..."
Suppose someone comes to the meeting who is a thief. Everyone knows he has this backround. We can warn him that the Lord Jesus seeks to sanctify him from such a lifestyle and still do so in a way which displays the "meekness" in the Holy Spirit, the "love" in the Holy Spirit, and the "faithfulness" in the Holy Spirit.
Paul and his co-workers had to manifest the meekness and kindness in the Holy Spirit and also manifest the "faithfulness" to the word of God. And the modern Christian also can be faithful yet in love for all men in the Holy Spirit.
Let us say that I have a strong repulsion towards homosexuality. Let us say that I am exessively angry around gay people. Well, some of this anger may be a lack of "self control". And "self control" is one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
All kinds of people will respond to the Gospel. People will come to Christ because they realize they are sinners in need of salvation. Not many come because they are self righteous and think they have no need for Christ.
Among all kinds of people who realize they need the Lord Jesus, we Christians realize that we ourselves are only sinners saved by grace. We are no better than anyone else. And the fruit of the Holy Spirit is "love, ... long suffering". Some brothers and sisters will need support of those who have learned to be "long suffering" in the power of the Holy Spirit.
I think "holistically" is a good word here. We have to consider the matter "holistically".
Corinth was city with great moral looseness - filled with fornication. Some of these people responded to the Gospel. The apostles and the older Christians had to be both "faithful" to teach them the truth, yet "longsuffering" to bear with them and help them to grow also in the experience of Christ.
So Paul ends his listing of the works of the flesh and the fruits of the Spirit by writing - "Brothers, even if a man is overtaken in some offense, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of meekness, looking to yourself lest you also be tempted." (Gal 6:1)
So, no, I cannot arbitrarily use the Bible to condemn whatever I personally do not like, recklessly. And if I do, I also must give an account one day before Jesus Christ, of my conduct as a Christian.
" For we [ WE - including the Apostle Paul himself ] ... For we must all be manifested before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done through the body according to what he has practiced, whether good or bad." (2 Cor. 5:10) .
We are content just to let God be the King of the kingdom of God.
Originally posted by ZahlanziThe issue was the vicious violent urge to use a rusty saw to attack someone. JS357 didn't use the word "cruel" in the post you were responding to. Nor was he discussing medical castration.
so what exactly do you find "cruel" in medicating these "beings"
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Originally posted by FMFYes, probably from time to time.
Do you think any of your fellow Christians here do so, from time to time?
God is not finished with us yet.
The famous Westborro Baptist Church has a national reputation for being vehemently sectarian. They go to funerals and gloat over soldier killed in battle. They carry signs saying "God Hates Fags". This is an example of the worst kind of "Christian" sectarian and fleshy regiosity.
I think many Christians realize that this tight knit family "church" manifests the works of the flesh.
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More responsible Christian counselors of gay people seeking spiritual help.
Exodus International:
" Exodus International doesn’t exist to make gay people straight, promote a formula for “success,” to make money or even to pass legislation. We exist to help others live a life that reflects the Christian faith. We’ve found that the opposite of homosexuality is most certainly not heterosexuality. It is holiness. It is loving God and being loved by Him. It is accepting His identity for us, instead of everyone else’s. But those things don’t often make headlines and I suspect that, unfortunately, we’ll continue to see more crazy things out there churning around in the rumor mill. "
http://exodusinternational.org/2009/10/big-foot-nessie-exodus-international-2/