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Originally posted by VoidSpiritHe knows how some people will desperately grasp and any excuse imagined to avoid being saved. He knows that a thousand and one "good reasons" to not believe in the Savior, the Son of God, will amount to nothing on that day.
does he know what he's doing when christians convert to islam or another faith?
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Finishing Paul's thought in Ephesians 5 -"Let no one deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them ..." (Eph. 5:6,7)
So we should not let people like FMF, sonhouse, and VoidSpirit and others deceive us with "vain words".
We should rather give heed to the word of God.
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Originally posted by jaywillThat bible quote reminds me of a movie...
Finishing Paul's thought in Ephesians 5 -[b]"Let no one deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them ..." (Eph. 5:6,7)
So we should not let people like FMF, sonhouse, and VoidSpirit and others deceive us with "vain words".
We should rather give heed to the word of God.[/b]
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain"
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Originally posted by usmc7257
That bible quote reminds me of a movie...
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain"
That bible quote reminds me of a movie...
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain"
You don't know how many times I hear things like this from the adult children of this generation.
This generation is so over indulged in fantasy and intertainment it is difficult for them to take in a sober study of the Bible sometimes.
So many things remind them of either a video game, a cartoon, a comic book hero, or a Walt Disney story. I fear many will come before God with their minds so filled up with Play Station, Sci Fi, and prime time TV that the reality of Christ and God will be a shock to them.
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Originally posted by jaywillShow me your god then. Call it down to talk to me personally, I'd believe then. An omniscient god would not A, have human attributes just co-incidentally given to it co-incidentally written by humans.That bible quote reminds me of a movie...
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain"
You don't know how many times I hear things like this from the adult children of this generation.
This generation is so over indulged in fantasy and intertainment it is difficult for them to take in a sober study of the Bible sometimes.
...[text shortened]... tion, Sci Fi, and prime time TV that the reality of Christ and God will be a shock to them.
And B, would not set up such a cruel religious system as we see now on Earth where religious people fight to the death against other religions. That is not a godly way.
To say YOUR religion is the ONLY TRUE RELIGION is just showing your profound brainwashing, the same as any other religion on Earth. There is no inherent superiority between Christianity, I mean Paulism, and ANY other religion on Earth. All it has caused on the world stage is misery, destruction of entire cultures based on what they think is manifest destiny.
Really what it is is the biggest thug in the valley just killing other cultures pure and simple. Not to mention 2000 years of slavery and ownership of women, condoned by your bible.
A god would have absolutely zero bias toward either gender and would never say a woman is worth 35 shekels and a man 50, right out of your bible.
It all goes to prove your god is man made, your religion is man made and they couldn't even get their stories straight in the Council of Nicea when they decided what books were to be included in the bible. If they had actually had editors back then they could have redacted out all the contradictions in the bible but never did and now you have to put up with continuous charges of self contradictions in your own bible. That charge can never go away since they are there, dozens of them, right there in your bible for all to see.
Originally posted by jaywillYou're using the Bible to condemn me for arguing with you?
Finishing Paul's thought in Ephesians 5 -[b]"Let no one deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them ..." (Eph. 5:6,7)
So we should not let people like FMF, sonhouse, and VoidSpirit and others deceive us with "vain words". [/b]
Originally posted by JS357Just as Christ viewed doing the will of God, the Father in heaven, as the basis of moral right, we followers of Christ attempt to continue in that belief. What we believe God and Christ saw as good and evil, we Christians use as our basis for what is right and wrong.
The first link start out "Christian denominations hold a variety of views on the issues of sexual orientation and homosexuality, ranging from outright condemnation to complete acceptance."
The second link says "Jesus cast demons out of me, including a homosexual demon."
The conclusion link at the third link says :Various Christian groups interpret Bible ...[text shortened]... for Christian views on what is right and wrong, what is the basis for these attitudes?[/b]
Originally posted by jaywillHow does quoting a movie from 1939 make me an adult child? How is spending time on this chess site any different from playing a video game? I don't play games on a popular console anymore because I don't want my 2 year old to get used to having them around. That is my way of parenting.That bible quote reminds me of a movie...
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain"
You don't know how many times I hear things like this from the adult children of this generation.
This generation is so over indulged in fantasy and intertainment it is difficult for them to take in a sober study of the Bible sometimes.
...[text shortened]... tion, Sci Fi, and prime time TV that the reality of Christ and God will be a shock to them.
I will also teach my children to think for themselves and to not just blindly accept fantasies such as Noah's ark, raising of the dead (now days the kids call them zombies), turning a few fish and loaves of bread into a meal that will feed 5000 people, walking on water, virgin births, parting of the red sea, talking snakes, talking burning bushes, making woman from a rib etc.... If they choose to believe in this after researching it for themselves, I will support their decision. Thats what a parent does.
Before you judge me as being an immature "adult child", take a look at yourself. Maybe it is you who shouldn't over indulge in fantasy. It is easy to dismiss an opinion different from our own as beneath us or immature thought. Maybe you should practise what you are always preaching.
Originally posted by RJHindsHaving looked at the links you provided, I have exactly the same question as JS357: So does the Christian view range from demonization to acceptance of homosexual acts?
Just as Christ viewed doing the will of God, the Father in heaven, as the basis of moral right, we followers of Christ attempt to continue in that belief. What we believe God and Christ saw as good and evil, we Christians use as our basis for what is right and wrong.
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Originally posted by usmc7257
How does quoting a movie from 1939 make me an adult child? How is spending time on this chess site any different from playing a video game? I don't play games on a popular console anymore because I don't want my 2 year old to get used to having them around. That is my way of parenting.
I will also teach my children to think for themselves and to not jus s beneath us or immature thought. Maybe you should practise what you are always preaching.
I will also teach my children to think for themselves and to not just blindly accept fantasies such as Noah's ark, raising of the dead (now days the kids call them zombies), turning a few fish and loaves of bread into a meal that will feed 5000 people, walking on water, virgin births, parting of the red sea, talking snakes, talking burning bushes, making woman from a rib etc.... If they choose to believe in this after researching it for themselves, I will support their decision. Thats what a parent does.
I did not teach these things to my kids as miscellaneous tricks. Rather I tried to communicate to them the profound significance of the accompanying words of God with each of these miracles.
1.) In the case of Noah's ark it is important for children to realize that the saved only need to be IN the vessel of salvation. God took care of the rest.
Just as being in Christ will be our eternal salvation, not because of what we are but because of Who He is.
2.) In the case of Christ raising the dead, it is important that childen see that death is something God can overcome because He is an indestructible and eternal Person.
3.) The feeding of the thousands with the loaves and fishes is very significant as a sign. For Jesus distributes to the 12 apostles. And miraculously what has satisfied them is enlarged and multiplied to be distributed to the world. This is what the disciples of Jesus Christ did.
What had nourished them by the power of God was dispensed by them unto the world for centries afterwards. This is quite a meaningful sign. It is far from just a trick.
4.) Christ walking upon the water is also very good as His sign that He is prevailing over all the turmoils and storms of human life. This children need to be armed with. That is the realization that we need to take Jesus Christ "into our boat" so to speak. For the storms, billows, threatening waves of this troubled life He easily walks over in peace.
I can vouch for this to my children as I tell them the true account of the Son of God walking over the billows of the troubled sea.
5.) The speaking serpent ? This may be good for them latter in life. God indicates to us that man's existence on this earth is rooted in the supernatural. And there is hardly any better introductory way to convey to people that the unusual thing is about in the creation. God has an intelligent enemy, an advasary.
The speaking serpent is a primer to introduce the profound realness that there is an advasary and enemy of God and man about. And Christ will crush him as the Perfect Man Who fully fulfills God's eternal purpose.
6.) Now the burning bush is one of my personal favorite records in the Bible. Latter, God is described as "the one who dwelt in the bush" .
The thorn bush which was on fire yet not consummed, I am sure, is a symbol of the incarnated God - God became a man in Jesus Christ. God and man were mingled as one Person yet the man was not consumed by the holiness of God. As the flame of the fire and the bush united in a most wonderful harmony - so eternal divinity and created humanity were united in the incarnation of Jesus Christ.
So God appearing to Moses in the bush that burned with fire but was not consumed is a profound symbol of the centerpiece of the Bible's revelation. The Word became flesh - God was incarnated as a man in Jesus.
7.) Lastly, the rib taken from Adam and builded into a woman and brought back to man is so very significant.
The One became TWO. And then the TWO were brought together to be one. This is a window into the meaning of the universe.
Out of God His divine life is imparted into His saved and redeemed people. Then they are brought back to God, the source of their divine life, to be united as Husband and Wife.
The Bible concludes with the New Jerusalem marrying God our Redeemer and our Source of eternal life. (Revelation chapters 21 and 22).
Sorry that all these wonderful signs have escaped your notice. They are far from cheap tricks for their own sake. They signs done to express very profound matters related to why man exists in this universe.
Originally posted by jaywillYou took nothing else in my post to heart. It seems you only tried to defend some examples of bible=fantasy. What about assuming I am immature because your bible quote reminded me of an old movie?
[quote] I will also teach my children to think for themselves and to not just blindly accept fantasies such as Noah's ark, raising of the dead (now days the kids call them zombies), turning a few fish and loaves of bread into a meal that will feed 5000 people, walking on water, virgin births, parting of the red sea, talking snakes, talking burning bushes, m ...[text shortened]... signs done to express very profound matters related to why man exists in this universe.
Typical deflection.
The bible has its good attributes. Many of the parables it contains have good, moral lessons to be learned. This fact is not lost on me. I constantly search for ways to instill good morals in my sons. I think I am capable of raising good, morally sound boys without hammering home religion. I consider someone who does the right thing because it is the right thing to do more morally sound than someone who does the right thing because he thinks he will get rewarded for it when he dies.
Originally posted by usmc7257I think you're missing the entire point of the Bible.
I consider someone who does the right thing because it is the right thing to do more morally sound than someone who does the right thing because he thinks he will get rewarded for it when he dies.
It's not about dying and what to do before you die or reward after. It's about living and what to do while you are still here. It is all about "doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do".
Originally posted by jaywill...we can only hope.That bible quote reminds me of a movie...
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain"
You don't know how many times I hear things like this from the adult children of this generation.
This generation is so over indulged in fantasy and intertainment it is difficult for them to take in a sober study of the Bible sometimes.
...[text shortened]... tion, Sci Fi, and prime time TV that the reality of Christ and God will be a shock to them.
Originally posted by SuzianneNot according to many christian groups.
I think you're missing the entire point of the Bible.
It's not about dying and what to do before you die or reward after. It's about living and what to do while you are still here. It is all about "doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do".
There has been plenty of faith vs works arguments on these forums.