Originally posted by sonhouseI did not try to pray anything away. Even gay people can make a choice.
My point was the "pray the gay away' concept is worthless, since being gay is not a choice. Exactly where is the homophobic content in that? I bet when you found out your son was gay, you tried the pray away bit didn't you?
Originally posted by RJHindsThat is where you are wrong, gay people do not have a choice. They don't all of a sudden one day look in a mirror and say, ok, I think this month I will be gay. It doesn't work like that.
I did not try to pray anything away. Even gay people can make a choice.
For instance, take a look at this: Gender Identity disorder:
http://www.webmd.com/sex/gender-identity-disorder
These people feel they are trapped in the body of the opposite sex they want to be.
Man feels he is a woman trapped in a man's body and vice versa.
It happens to children as young as 3.
So there is no choice in this, it comes from something genetic probably.
Originally posted by sonhouseThat is not what I am talking about. Many of these people choose to have sex change operations. They don't all choose to do disgusting sexual acts.
That is where you are wrong, gay people do not have a choice. They don't all of a sudden one day look in a mirror and say, ok, I think this month I will be gay. It doesn't work like that.
For instance, take a look at this: Gender Identity disorder:
http://www.webmd.com/sex/gender-identity-disorder
These people feel they are trapped in the body of ...[text shortened]... en as young as 3.
So there is no choice in this, it comes from something genetic probably.
Originally posted by RBHILLTake responsibility for your disgusting fetid attitude to your fellow citizens and stop hiding behind fairy tails and blood drenched monarchs who have been dead and buried for thousands of years.
Even King David says it in psalm 51:5
So NO not shame on me, shame on you for being in denial. And I am not talking about the river Nile. 😉
Originally posted by stellspalfiehis head is up there already , sort of makes sense that his finger might get lonely.
duh, why do you think people do it if it feels bad? oh and stop sticking your finger up your bum rj its unhygenic and wasnt designed to go there, god will be cross.
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sick fkucer to believe this shti.
Like a bad horror story.
If there were no salvation in Christ provided, then it would be a horror story indeed. But "Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
Now, let's test this out just a little. You say that it is a horror story totally alien to you when the Bible speaks of the indwelling sin nature?
Can you identify with any of these statements the Apostle Paul made ?
"For what I work out, I do not acknowledge; for what I will, this I do not practice, but what I hate, this I do." (Rom. 7:15)
Does this ring any bells ? Do you ever find yourself doing what you HATE ? Did you ever find after doing someting, you turn around and HATED that which you did and ask yourself WHY you did that ? If so then your experience is like Paul's in his teaching about indwelling sin nature.
" ... but what I hate, this I do." This could be good news for you, if you also hate this experience. At least you also sometimes hate the things you seemed compeled by some force, to do.
"For I do not the good which I will; but the evil which I do not will, this I practice." (Rom. 7:19)
Huh ? Sound at all familiar ? You know what is the good that you SHOULD do. Strangly, you didn't practice that. It seems SOMETHING drives you to do, sometimes, that which you know is the evil.
Nightmare? Horror story ? Perhaps. But doesn't it also touch your own personal experience ? It does mine.
Paul ends this section with the words -
"Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from the body of this death ? Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh, the law of sin." (Rom. 7:24,25)
Nook, I don't believe that some of this is that foreign to your own experience. Perhaps you have not yet experienced the liberation of Jesus Christ from the guilt and power of indwelling sin nature. But you can identify with some of this.
With your mind you delight in what is good and even agree with some of the law of God. That is with the mind. But you see working in your members another more powerful force causing you NOT to be able to perform the good your mind delights in. Conversly this power drives you to perform the evil which you often hate.
You and every other descendent of Adam is encassed within "the body of this death" . But there is freedom in receiving Christ.
"For the law of the Spirit of life has freed me in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and of death." (Rom. 8:2). That is in the next chapter following this exposure of the sin nature in Romans chapter 7.
Originally posted by jaywillWords of man. More words of man. No words of a god. We either have a non involved god or a non god. Either way all your words are man made. No god required for talented writers to come up with pithy sayings.sick fkucer to believe this shti.
Like a bad horror story.
If there were no salvation in Christ provided, then it would be a horror story indeed. But [b]"Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
Now, let's test this out just a little. You say that it is a horror story totally alien to you when the Bible speaks of ...[text shortened]... e next chapter following this exposure of the sin nature in Romans chapter 7.[/b]
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Originally posted by sonhouseAre you sure ? Nothing there of God speaking to us in His love and desire for our salvation ?
Words of man. More words of man. No words of a god. We either have a non involved god or a non god. Either way all your words are man made. No god required for talented writers to come up with pithy sayings.
Are you sure the Bible is just man's words ?
You're putting up a mighty fuss about some of the words.