Originally posted by FMFI mainly scanned them to get an idea of what they were about. I did not read them in detail. That was not my purpose in providing them. My purpose was to provide different ideas and attitudes toward homosexuals and the acts by various Christian groups of today.
Did you read the links you provided before you posted them?
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Originally posted by JS357I am really sorry man. I responded to one of Jaywills posts and got of on a side converstion with someone else. I won't post in this thread anymore to be fair to the OP. thanks for bringing that up. I hope you get what you were looking for. Something tells me that if Jaywill can post such legthy articles, he can read though my drivel to get to his main point.
This exchange is now lost in the blizzard following USMC's post, but this is nothing new. I regret that I may not hear back on my query to jaywill, a query that has now been buried.
Again, apologies for any hijacking as it was unfair to your question regarding the origional topic.
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edit: upon further review I posted a statement about one of Jay's quotes, and he reponded in a way that made me defend my OP. Sorry for the aside again, but thank Jay for it as well as me.
Originally posted by RJHindsYou claimed that your purpose was to provide different ideas and attitudes toward homosexuals by various Christian groups of today. So you acknowledge that these Christian views you drew our attention to include acceptance of homosexual acts? Is that what you meant by posting the links you did?
I pointed out that false teachers may teach such things, but the apostle Paul said, "For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret."
(Ephesians 5:12 NKJV)
Originally posted by RJHindsIs your religion Christianity or is it Paulism? You quote Paul so much it sounds very much like you agree with him more than Christ.
I pointed out that false teachers may teach such things, but the apostle Paul said, "For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret."
(Ephesians 5:12 NKJV)
Isn't one of your sons gay? If so, I can imagine you spouting biblical nonsense at him, and it didn't do any good did it? And that would be because being gay is not a choice it is hard wired into your psyche. Did praying for your son do any good? No? I thought so.
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Originally posted by usmc7257
You took nothing else in my post to heart. It seems you only tried to defend some examples of bible=fantasy. What about assuming I am immature because your bible quote reminded me of an old movie?
Typical deflection.
The bible has its good attributes. Many of the parables it contains have good, moral lessons to be learned. This fact is not lost on me. ...[text shortened]... han someone who does the right thing because he thinks he will get rewarded for it when he dies.
You took nothing else in my post to heart. It seems you only tried to defend some examples of bible=fantasy. What about assuming I am immature because your bible quote reminded me of an old movie?
I kind of demonstrated your very superfiscial appreciation of some of the implications of the miracles you spoke of as frivolous.
If I understood your Wizard of Oz reference, if was your comparing Paul's warning that we be not deceived with vain words to the man behind the curtain concocting the special effects to produce the Wizard. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
Well it didn't make much sense to me. It not that clear whether it was meant to be a slight against the Bible teacher or the skeptic.
But I'll humor you a little about the Wizard of Oz story. Actually, there is something there reminiscent of the truth of the Gospel.
Dorthy is knocked unconscious and is befriended by three friends - a scarcrow needing an intellect, a lion needing a will, and a tin man needing a heart.
Interestingly, the Mind, Emotion, and Will are the three man components of the human soul. The human soul is composed of the mind for intellectual thinking, the emotion for like and dislike, and the will for deciding and resolving.
Not only can the psychiatrist have a interesting time analyzing that little story, as they have, so the Christian theologian also can see some reference there to deeper truths.
Man's human soul was damaged in the fall of Adam. The mind was corrupted, the will was corrupted, and the emotions were damaged. The searching of Dorthy to regain consciousness somewhat corrresponds to the three characters seeking self actualization.
She is really trying to gather up her mind, emotion, and will and return to consciousness from being knocked into unconsciousness in the tornado.
That's a little of my take on WHY the sucessful story of the Wizard of Oz actually touches some human truths. And many popular stories do such. The skillful author know how to code deeper human truths into a fiction. (No, they do not have to be of a particular faith to notice some things about human life).
That is all the time I will devote to Oz. But "He restores my soul" (Psalm 23:3) is one of thousands of places in the Bible that reveal God's salvation is about the restoration of the damaged soul of man - the proper mind, emotion, and will.
In the Bible's case the restoral of the soul is all the way unto the image of Jesus Christ.
"But we all with unveiled face beholding and reflecting as a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory even from the Lord Spirit." (2 Cor. 3:18)
Salvation involves not going to a happy place like Heaven as is. It involves beholding Christ and from one degree to another to another gradually being transformed into the same image.
Now the exhortation of Paul not to be deceived by vain words was lovingly meant to help the Christian avoid the circumventing of the sanctifying process.
Let no one deceive you with vain words. These things, he alluded are stumbling blocks of morality, are the same very things that are causing the wrath of God to one day break out over the planet. This is the spirit of the warning.
Off to a meeting now.
Originally posted by usmc7257Oops I didn't mean to be so critical. You have every right to post and reply all you want.
I am really sorry man. I responded to one of Jaywills posts and got of on a side converstion with someone else. I won't post in this thread anymore to be fair to the OP. thanks for bringing that up. I hope you get what you were looking for. Something tells me that if Jaywill can post such legthy articles, he can read though my drivel to get to his main poin ...[text shortened]... way that made me defend my OP. Sorry for the aside again, but thank Jay for it as well as me.
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Originally posted by RJHindsUnfortunately this makes it impossible to know what Paul is talking about. It only ways, "whatever I regard to be unspeakable, is unspeakable". Ephesians 5:12 could and probably has been used to justify unspeakable acts of persecution by people considering themselves Christians against those they regard as pagans.
I pointed out that false teachers may teach such things, but the apostle Paul said, "For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret."
(Ephesians 5:12 NKJV)
Originally posted by jaywillbiblegod is vain, that makes his words vain.
Finishing Paul's thought in Ephesians 5 -[b]"Let no one deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them ..." (Eph. 5:6,7)
So we should not let people like FMF, sonhouse, and VoidSpirit and others deceive us with "vain words".
We should rather give heed to the word of God.[/b]
Originally posted by jaywillso he doesn't know what he's doing. all you had to do is come out and say it.
He knows how some people will desperately grasp and any excuse imagined to avoid being saved. He knows that a thousand and one "good reasons" to not believe in the Savior, the Son of God, will amount to nothing on that day.
Originally posted by sonhouseMy gay son was raised in the united Methodist Church and he was taught what is right and wrong in God's eye as well as man's. Unlike my other children, I never had to spank him for bad behavior because he always obeyed me. I have confidence that he will do what is pleasing to God as well. A person being
Is your religion Christianity or is it Paulism? You quote Paul so much it sounds very much like you agree with him more than Christ.
Isn't one of your sons gay? If so, I can imagine you spouting biblical nonsense at him, and it didn't do any good did it? And that would be because being gay is not a choice it is hard wired into your psyche. Did praying for your son do any good? No? I thought so.
gay does not automatically mean they do unnatural sexual acts that are abominable to God. You sound homophobic and you apparently don't even know that the apostle Paul was a Christian.
Originally posted by RJHindsMy point was the "pray the gay away' concept is worthless, since being gay is not a choice. Exactly where is the homophobic content in that? I bet when you found out your son was gay, you tried the pray away bit didn't you?
My gay son was raised in the united Methodist Church and he was taught what is right and wrong in God's eye as well as man's. Unlike my other children, I never had to spank him for bad behavior because he always obeyed me. I have confidence that he will do what is pleasing to God as well. A person being
gay does not automatically mean they do unnatural s ...[text shortened]... ou sound homophobic and you apparently don't even know that the apostle Paul was a Christian.
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Originally posted by RJHindsrj, why did god make that particular sex act feel good if he didnt want people to do it?
My gay son was raised in the united Methodist Church and he was taught what is right and wrong in God's eye as well as man's. Unlike my other children, I never had to spank him for bad behavior because he always obeyed me. I have confidence that he will do what is pleasing to God as well. A person being
gay does not automatically mean they do unnatural s ...[text shortened]... ou sound homophobic and you apparently don't even know that the apostle Paul was a Christian.