Originally posted by jaywillQuote the Bible all you like, but the fact remains that the whole concept of people being 'born into sin' ie their very existence at birth is an offence to God, is nothing less than a horror story and that you buy into such a horror story is a horror in itself.
You say that it is a horror story totally alien to you when the Bible speaks of the indwelling sin nature?
Originally posted by jaywillI am 100% sure they are words of man only. The idea that a god would set up a religion, or would even feel the NEED to set up a religion is preposterous on the face of it. Just human arrogance thinking we are so worthy as to be worth the attention of a real god? Sure, and we would want to set up a system of religion in an ant colony.
Are you sure ? Nothing there of God speaking to us in His love and desire for our salvation ?
Are you sure the Bible is [b] just man's words ?
You're putting up a mighty fuss about some of the words.[/b]
We could make sure they suffer from original sin, kill the ants who would object to having to worship those incredibly wise humans and would further set up opposing religions in other parts of the colony just for fun.
Sure, that could work.
Originally posted by RJHindsit doesn't matter. according to paul, effeminate men will not get to heaven.
My gay son was raised in the united Methodist Church and he was taught what is right and wrong in God's eye as well as man's. Unlike my other children, I never had to spank him for bad behavior because he always obeyed me. I have confidence that he will do what is pleasing to God as well. A person being
gay does not automatically mean they do unnatural s ...[text shortened]... ou sound homophobic and you apparently don't even know that the apostle Paul was a Christian.
sorry, your imaginary gay son is going to end up in imaginary hell.
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Originally posted by JS357If you have been following this thread, you know what one of the unspeakable things are now.
Unfortunately this makes it impossible to know what Paul is talking about. It only ways, "whatever I regard to be unspeakable, is unspeakable". Ephesians 5:12 could and probably has been used to justify unspeakable acts of persecution by people considering themselves Christians against those they regard as pagans.
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Originally posted by twhitehead
Quote the Bible all you like, but the fact remains that the whole concept of people being 'born into sin' ie their very existence at birth is an offence to God, is nothing less than a horror story and that you buy into such a horror story is a horror in itself.
Quote the Bible all you like,
Thanks that I now have your permission. whew!
but the fact remains that the whole concept of people being 'born into sin' ie their very existence at birth is an offence to God,
I would not put it that way. I mean my whole existence is an offence to God? My sinning is an offense.
You're an Atheist. What do you care what is "an offense to God" ?
What crocodile tears are these ?
is nothing less than a horror story and that you buy into such a horror story is a horror in itself.
To repeat, Christ, with His salvation has taken all the Horror out of it.
Tis a problem. There is no question about it. The Good News is that before I was even BORN, mind you, the Son of God already had come and made abundant provision for both deliverance from the guilt of sin and the power of sin.
Now, since you are bored with "proof texts" I will not bother. But that all have sinned because of this sinning nature is made quite clear by God and His prophets and apostles.
More importantly, that Jesus saves, has also been made very clear.
Originally posted by sonhouseThe apostle Paul says, "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light."
You are without scruples.
(Ephesians 5:11-13 NKJV)
I do not hesitate to expose those things to the light even though it is shameful to speak of them. Therefore, you are without excuse.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!
Originally posted by RJHindsSeeing six RJ posts in a row sets the bar pretty high. It makes me think of the movie line:
The apostle Paul says, "And [b]have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light."
(Ephesians 5:11-13 NKJV)
I do not hesitate to exp ...[text shortened]... hameful to speak of them. Therefore, you are without excuse.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord![/b]
"I wish I knew how to quit you."
Shall we play name that movie? Clue: it is relevant.
Speaking of quitting, in a day or two I will be quitting the forums for some weeks, but I do not expect to successfully complete the 12-step program. Europe beckons.
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Originally posted by JS357although we disagree much on the forum, rj and i have a bit of a rapport going on behind the scenes. one time rj tied his goat to the post outside his local texas airport and caught a flight to the cold, bitter climate of nothern england, we met up in the cumbrian mountains. we silently climbed the old man of coniston just past lake windermere. we reached the top just before night fall and pitched tent together.............anyway when sunset came he begged for it so i gave it to him. (i call this short story - 50 shades of r.j.)
Seeing six RJ posts in a row sets the bar pretty high. It makes me think of the movie line:
"I wish I knew how to quit you."
Shall we play name that movie? Clue: it is relevant.
Speaking of quitting, in a day or two I will be quitting the forums for some weeks, but I do not expect to successfully complete the 12-step program. Europe beckons.
Originally posted by stellspalfieSo he got your goat? 😉
although we disagree much on the forum, rj and i have a bit of a rapport going on behind the scenes. one time rj tied his goat to the post outside his local texas airport and caught a flight to the cold, bitter climate of nothern england, we met up in the cumbrian mountains. we silently climbed the old man of coniston just past lake windermere. we reach ...[text shortened]... sunset came he begged for it so i gave it to him. (i call this short story - 50 shades of r.j.)
Is that only an American expression?
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"The phrase originated in the US and the first entry in print that I can find comes from a fanciful story about a burst water pipe that was printed in the US newspaper The Stevens Point Daily Journal, May 1909: "Wouldn't that get your goat? We'd been transferring the same water all night from the tub to the bowl and back again."
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Originally posted by JS357the goat is a metaphor for christianity , he leaves it behind when he travels to see me. we shed all items that remind us of our other lives, including clothes. out sking touching is normally enough for me, biut r.j. likes to 'explore# our needs.
So he got your goat? 😉
Is that only an American expression?
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"The phrase originated in the US and the first entry in print that I can find comes from a fanciful story about a burst water pipe that was printed in the US newspaper The Stevens Point Daily Journal, May 1909: "Wouldn't that get your goat? We'd been transferring the same water all ni ...[text shortened]... e bowl and back again."
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http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/get-your-goat.html
Originally posted by stellspalfieWow I am glad I am not there to see that.
the goat is a metaphor for christianity , he leaves it behind when he travels to see me. we shed all items that remind us of our other lives, including clothes. out sking touching is normally enough for me, biut r.j. likes to 'explore# our needs.