23 Nov 12
Proverbs 24
17 When your enemies fall, don’t rejoice.
When they stumble, don’t let your heart be glad,
18 or the Lord will see it and be displeased,
and he will turn his anger from them.
19 Don’t get fighting mad at evil people;
don’t be envious of the wicked.
20 Indeed, there is no future for the evil;
the lamp of the wicked will be put out.
Luke 11:4
4 Forgive us our sins,
for we also forgive everyone who has wronged us.
And don’t lead us into temptation.’”
Wouldn't scripture like these show us that we are not against people, but
for them? Shouldn't the attitude be of grace in the face of those that are
heading to a devils Hell least we bar the way to God's grace instead of
showing it?
Kelly
23 Nov 12
Originally posted by KellyJayId just like to point out the idea of Hell, as a place where persons are tortured perpetually for having sinned for seventy or eighty years, while being born sinful and having a predilection towards sin is entirely diametrically opposed to the idea of a loving God and in my opinion foments self righteousness.
Proverbs 24
17 When your enemies fall, don’t rejoice.
When they stumble, don’t let your heart be glad,
18 or the Lord will see it and be displeased,
and he will turn his anger from them.
19 Don’t get fighting mad at evil people;
don’t be envious of the wicked.
20 Indeed, there is no future for the evil;
the lamp of the wicked will be ...[text shortened]...
heading to a devils Hell least we bar the way to God's grace instead of
showing it?
Kelly
23 Nov 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieDoes it matter?
Id just like to point out the idea of Hell, as a place where persons are tortured perpetually for having sinned for seventy or eighty years, while being born sinful and having a predilection towards sin is entirely diametrically opposed to the idea of a loving God and in my opinion foments self righteousness.
Do you have any thoughts on the topic or was it your intent to change the
subject on the first response?
Kelly
23 Nov 12
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Originally posted by KellyJaysorry you mentioned Hell did you not. Here are your words,
Does it matter?
Do you have any thoughts on the topic or was it your intent to change the
subject on the first response?
Kelly
Shouldn't the attitude be of grace in the face of those that are
heading to a devils Hell
It appears to me to be self righteous.
23 Nov 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHow so, you feel those that reject or miss God's grace will do what at judgment
sorry you mentioned Hell did you not. Here are your words,
Shouldn't the attitude be of grace in the face of those that are
heading to a devils Hell
It appears to me to be self righteous.
day? Not sure what self-righteous has to do with anything, since it is God's
grace not my righteousness that matters in the end. I'm a sinner in need of
grace not one that earns my way into God's grace by anything I do or say.
Kelly
23 Nov 12
Originally posted by KellyJayI hope you are not trying to use these verses to say we should not fight the eneny to defeat them. It just doesn't work for me for I am glad when the enemy is defeated, for that means a time of peace is ahead.
Proverbs 24
17 When your enemies fall, don’t rejoice.
When they stumble, don’t let your heart be glad,
18 or the Lord will see it and be displeased,
and he will turn his anger from them.
19 Don’t get fighting mad at evil people;
don’t be envious of the wicked.
20 Indeed, there is no future for the evil;
the lamp of the wicked will be ...[text shortened]...
heading to a devils Hell least we bar the way to God's grace instead of
showing it?
Kelly
23 Nov 12
Originally posted by RJHindsYou don't win a war by dying for your country
I hope you are not trying to use these verses to say we should not fight the eneny to defeat them. It just doesn't work for me for I am glad when the enemy is defeated, for that means a time of peace is ahead.
You win a war by making the other ba""***@@@ die for his country.
General George Patton.
23 Nov 12
Originally posted by KellyJayMy take on it is that God does not want to have to judge anyone. So why should we be glad when he does?
Proverbs 24
17 When your enemies fall, don’t rejoice.
When they stumble, don’t let your heart be glad,
18 or the Lord will see it and be displeased,
and he will turn his anger from them.
19 Don’t get fighting mad at evil people;
don’t be envious of the wicked.
20 Indeed, there is no future for the evil;
the lamp of the wicked will be ...[text shortened]...
heading to a devils Hell least we bar the way to God's grace instead of
showing it?
Kelly
23 Nov 12
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Originally posted by KellyJayThe wages of sin is 1. death or 2. eternal torment in a fiery Hell? Romans 6:23
How so, you feel those that reject or miss God's grace will do what at judgment
day? Not sure what self-righteous has to do with anything, since it is God's
grace not my righteousness that matters in the end. I'm a sinner in need of
grace not one that earns my way into God's grace by anything I do or say.
Kelly
You appear to me to be harbouring the opinion that its only other people that are on a
course to, as you put it, enter the Devils Hell, it strikes me as self righteous, that's all.
No one knows whether they will see salvation or not, for he who is standing had better
beware that he does not fall. If as you say, everyone can be a recipient of what you
term Gods grace, then it is clear that God is not finished with anyone yet and that
everyone has the potential to repent and thus be a recipient of, as you put it, Gods
grace, or undeserved kindness as the superlative New world translation puts it.
The Grace of God should therefore make us more empathetic towards people, but
not to the point of being condescending or self righteous, for we are also sinners in
need of that same undeserved kindness.
23 Nov 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe wages of sin is 8.65 an hour.
The wages of sin is 1. death or 2. eternal torment in a fiery Hell? Romans 6:23
You appear to me to be harbouring the opinion that its only other people that are on a
course to, as you put it, enter the Devils Hell, it strikes me as self righteous, that's all.
No one knows whether they will see salvation or not, for he who is standing had be ...[text shortened]... scending or self righteous, for we are also sinners in
need of that same undeserved kindness.
Minimum wage in Ireland.
23 Nov 12
Originally posted by whodeyMy take is that we should not overly rejoice by the type of judgment that has befallen our enemy that we treat our enemy with more evil and build up the anger of God aganst our own behavior.
My take on it is that God does not want to have to judge anyone. So why should we be glad when he does?
After WWII we rejoiced because our enemy was defeated and the war was over, but then we helped our enemy recover afterwards and did not continue to hold a grudge. That, I believe, is what God wants us to do.
23 Nov 12
Originally posted by johnnylongwoody8.65 Euro not bad, the average monthly salary in Pakistan is 60 Euros and a single
The wages of sin is 8.65 an hour.
Minimum wage in Ireland.
chicken costs roughly a days wages 🙂 Any how back to the topic, should we gloat
when our enemies fall or stumble?
23 Nov 12
Originally posted by RJHindsThat's a pretty fair assessment.
My take is that we should not overly rejoice by the type of judgment that has befallen our enemy that we treat our enemy with more evil and build up the anger of God aganst our own behavior.
After WWII we rejoiced because our enemy was defeated and the war was over, but then we helped our enemy recover afterwards and did not continue to hold a grudge. That, I believe, is what God wants us to do.