Originally posted by wolfgang59Not that i care much for viewpoint questions, but you have asked, therefore, if his biological parents were in a married and loving relationship, yes i do. Why? because there would be none of the issues that may face adoptive parents that would not be engendered by biological ones. Are you saying that the two circumstances are exactly the same and that the same set of dynamics is at work in both? No i did not think so.
You answer my question with a question and distort what I posted!
I am trying to ascertain your position which was unclear.
I have not put forward my own opinion.
But for the record there is no reason why "loving biological" is any better than loving adoptive.
Now, I ask again, do you think my son would be better off with his biological parents?
Whether loving biological is better than loving adoptive remains to be seen, but seeing that you are bent on making a comparison, perhaps you will elucidate on why you hold that view?
Originally posted by Proper Knobyou asked for a comparison, you were given an answer, to which you responded, 'evil beyond reproach', your words. Reasons have been proffered as to why homosexual adoption is sub optimal, you may make references to those, i cannot make it any clearer than that. I will not repeat it again.
It wasn't clear to me, can you just clarify please.
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that depends on whether or not you make the list of people suited for parenting. abusive junkie foster parents apparently make the list. a couple that doesn't have exactly one penis in its roster apparently doesn't.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhere did I ask for a comparison? A comparison of what?
you asked for a comparison, you were given an answer, to which you responded, 'evil beyond reproach', your words. Reasons have been proffered as to why homosexual adoption is sub optimal, you may make references to those, i cannot make it any clearer than that. I will not repeat it again.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieMy request for you to clarify what you meant was in reference to your glib 'sure yah dont' comment.
a comparison between gay adoption and a child remaining in care, a choice of two evils.
I don't need a comparison from you with regard to same sex adoption and children remaining in care, I understand you completely with respect to that matter. You would perpetuate the suffering of vulnerable children rather than send them to live with a same sex couple, that's crystal clear.
Originally posted by Proper Knobit appeared to me that you had failed to understand or rather ignore the details of my text which were that the support for so called gay rights is nothing more than support for a morality.
My request for you to clarify what you meant was in reference to your glib 'sure yah dont' comment.
I don't need a comparison from you with regard to same sex adoption and children remaining in care, I understand you completely with respect to that matter. You would perpetuate the suffering of vulnerable children rather than send them to live with a same sex couple, that's crystal clear.
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"Although the causes of homophobia are unclear, several psychoanalytic explanations have emerged from the idea of homophobia as an anxiety-based phenomenon. One psychoanalytic explanation is that anxiety about the possibility of being or becoming a homosexual may be a major factor in homophobia. For example, de Kuyper (1993) has asserted that homophobia is the result of the remnants of homosexuality in the heterosexual resolution of the Oedipal conflict. Whereas these notions are vague, psychoanalytic theories usually postulate that homophobia is a result of repressed homosexual urges or a form of latent homosexuality. Latent homosexuality can be defined as homosexual arousal which the individual is either unaware of or dent. Psychoanalysts use the concept of repressed or latent homosexuality to explain the emotional malaise and irrational attitudes displayed by some individuals who feel guilty about their erotic interests and struggle to deny and repress homosexual impulses. In fact, West stated, 'when placed in a situation that threatens to excite their own unwanted homosexual thoughts, they overreact with panic or anger." Slaby ( 1994)" henry e adams - putting freud to the test.
Originally posted by stellspalfie"The gay movement, whether we acknowledge it or not, is not a civil rights movement, not even a sexual liberation movement, but a moral revolution aimed at changing people's view of homosexuality."
"Although the causes of homophobia are unclear, several psychoanalytic explanations have emerged from the idea of homophobia as an anxiety-based phenomenon. One psychoanalytic explanation is that anxiety about the possibility of being or becoming a homosexual may be a major factor in homophobia. For example, de Kuyper (1993) has asserted that homophobia verreact with panic or anger." Slaby ( 1994)" henry e adams - putting freud to the test.[/b]
when will you admit it? I am ready to hear your confessions.
If you or proper noob or any other homophile lived in any other epoch, would you hold similar views? i doubt it, you have been manipulated to accept a particular morality, weak minded ones, free yourselves.
Originally posted by robbie carrobiewho cares what views they would have had if they lived in another time? they would be different people. this argument is retarded.
"The gay movement, whether we acknowledge it or not, is not a civil rights movement, not even a sexual liberation movement, but a moral revolution aimed at changing people's view of homosexuality."
when will you admit it? I am ready to hear your confessions.
If you or proper noob or any other homophile lived in any other epoch, would you hold ...[text shortened]... you have been manipulated to accept a particular morality, weak minded ones, free yourselves.
we live in this time. a time of enlightenment and tolarence (supposedly), and we must be tolerant of others. perhaps the question is, if you would have lived in this epoch, would you have been such a hateful little toad? you have been manipulated to hate anything different than you, weak minded one, free yourself.
I'll rant a little about this
As a gay guy, I have always respected believe it or not, a straight mans right to homophobia - believe it or not that revulsion works both ways so I can appreciate it. I've had a few homphobic friends and Muslim friends and I simply wouldn't let the subject grate - deprive me of there friendship, just avoided it - but so did they - it wasn't of interest we had better to discuss.
Bullying people for being gay i find so dispicable i want to grab said person by the throat, at school i had to refrain but would instigate all manner of trouble for those who did - they would find them selves in fights they never started for example. These marchers are dispicable. I respect rcs opinions on here - just - they need a counter - but on the grounds that they come from good well meaning christian teachings. But I can't stand bullying.
Originally posted by stellspalfiesigh we have seen in the last two posts the rather banal techniques of those, who devoid of reason, resort to the usual armchair psychoanalysis (you are homophobic) assigning to their adversary rather curious mental ailments (stellspalfie) and you are a hater (zippy)
so when was it you noticed you had these feelings? watching the other boys getting changed in the locker room at school? well at least it explains your odd fear of vaginas.
Is this really the best we have come to appreciate, that those who oppose gay practice on a moral basis must be subject to the completely unfounded, you are homophobic and you are a hater? I have no fear of gay people, the principal at my kids school is openly gay, i find her quite amiable and approachable and at parents evening recently, in the confines of her office, i was not tempted to runaway once. I do not hate her and i resent assertions that i do.
you people should have the honesty and decency to admit that your support for gay rights is not a civil fight but a moral fight aimed at changing people's view of homosexuality, but at least be honest about it for there is no need to resort to slimy tactics of 'you are homophobic' or 'you are a hater', simply because someone opposes your own moral stance.
Originally posted by e4chrisYes you should not be bullied. Have i ever resorted to bullying you? Have you and i not had an interchange of encouragement? I certainly felt encouraged by your private texts when i was serving my self imposed ban.
I'll rant a little about this
As a gay guy, I have always respected believe it or not, a straight mans right to homophobia - believe it or not that revulsion works both ways so I can appreciate it. I've had a few homphobic friends and Muslim friends and I simply wouldn't let the subject grate - deprive me of there friendship, just avoided it - but so did ...[text shortened]... unds that they come from good well meaning christian teachings. But I can't stand bullying.