15 Dec 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkNothing there that says or even vaguely implies that God expects perfection.
Isaiah 59:2: "But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear."
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God".
Therefore, the person who lived a 'good life' by human standards is still a sinner by God's standards. Obviously, a "good per ...[text shortened]... able to stand before the infinitely holy presence of God, no matter how good they were on earth.
15 Dec 16
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Originally posted by Rajk999Why do all fall short of the glory of God then? If God doesn't expect perfection are you saying everyone who is not perfect (which basically means everyone) is going to heaven? Also since you are claiming that God doesn't expect perfection, where does the Bible say that? If God is perfect, what does the verse "Be Holy as you father in Heaven is Holy" mean to you?
Nothing there that says or even vaguely implies that God expects perfection.
15 Dec 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI think Romans 7 is what you are trying to get at.
Why do all fall short of the glory of God then? If God doesn't expect perfection are you saying everyone who is not perfect (which basically means everyone) is going to heaven? Also since you are claiming that God doesn't expect perfection, where does the Bible say that? If God is perfect, what does the verse "Be Holy as you father in Heaven is Holy" mean to you?
The question is if a person recognizes sin as sin and attempts to get it out of his or her life. Liberals believe that sin really isn't sin at all or that it is OK to live in a state of rebellion against God by accepting the sin.
15 Dec 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkAre you serious? The entire Bible is about sinful imperfect people who pleased God and who will be in Gods Kingdom. Yet you want a verse that says that God does not expect perfection?
Why do all fall short of the glory of God then? If God doesn't expect perfection are you saying everyone who is not perfect (which basically means everyone) is going to heaven? Also since you are claiming that God doesn't expect perfection, where does the Bible say that? If God is perfect, what does the verse "Be Holy as you father in Heaven is Holy" mean to you?
15 Dec 16
Originally posted by Rajk999Would you care to give me one example of one such person who did not have faith?
Are you serious? The entire Bible is about sinful imperfect people who pleased God and who will be in Gods Kingdom. Yet you want a verse that says that God does not expect perfection?
15 Dec 16
Originally posted by Rajk999Are you just assuming they were saved because of their works or does the Bible say that they were saved by their works?
I will give you two:
NT - The Good Samaritan who did not know Christ
OT - Cyrus King of Persia who knew no God.
Both pleased God with their works
15 Dec 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkThe Good Samaritan story was in response to the question how to get eternal life. Christ gave that story and said after to 'GO DO LIKEWISE'.
Are you just assuming they were saved because of their works or does the Bible say that they were saved by their works?
If you cannot understand what Christ means then its going to be your own failing.
15 Dec 16
Originally posted by Rajk999Yep, but some good works lead to heaven while others do not.
I have three words for you:
[b] GO DO LIKEWISE[/b]
But sure everyone should do good. It would be best if everyone embraced God's truth and put it into practice. Evils of our world would be greatly decreased.
Sexually transmitted diseases would all but fall out of existence. Very few kids would be in single parent homes or wards of the state. Our prisons would be all but empty.
Your version of good works leads to the kind of world we have today.
Originally posted by EladarAll good works are good. There is nowhere that Jesus said that any good works are evil.
Yep, but some good works lead to heaven while others do not.
But sure everyone should do good. It would be best if everyone embraced God's truth and put it into practice. Evils of our world would be greatly decreased.
Sexually transmitted diseases would all but fall out of existence. Very few kids would be in single parent homes or wards of the state ...[text shortened]... would be all but empty.
Your version of good works leads to the kind of world we have today.
You seem to have an obsession with sex. Christ forgave the woman caught in adultery. Someone like you would have told the mob to stone her to death. You need to examine yourself and follow what Jesus said: GO DO LIKEWISE
15 Dec 16
Originally posted by Rajk999I didn't say the works are evil, I said the person is evil. Evil people can do good works. Good people can do evil works.
All good works are good. There is nowhere that Jesus said that any good works are evil.
You seem to have an obsession with sex. Christ forgave the woman caught in adultery. Someone like you would have told the mob to stone her to death. You need to examine yourself and follow what Jesus said: [b] GO DO LIKEWISE[/b]
Do good works go to heaven. Do good works go to hell.
That's the way it is.
15 Dec 16
Originally posted by EladarLike I said you are a sad pathetic soul. Who are you to judge that a person that you know nothing of is evil. Why not let Christ judge peoples works and you obey Christ who said GO DO LIKEWISE .
I didn't say the works are evil, I said the person is evil. Evil people can do good works. Good people can do evil works.
Do good works go to heaven. Do good works go to hell.
That's the way it is.
15 Dec 16
Originally posted by sonshipWhat you are saying is wrong.
We are not communicating.
You apparently are not listening to me.
Or you are talking to me but debating someone in your mind's memory or imagination.
You're not getting what I am writing.
As Jesus said the angels will gather the ones found evil and have them burned, then gather his people and bring them to safety.