Originally posted by joe beyser"hole crapoly" lol
Just today I had a conversation with someone I respect and care a lot for. We were talking about what would happen if there was a eugenics genocide worldwide that killed of about 85 percent of the population. This person said that god would not let that happen as it isn't his will. I mentioned the Holocaust and this person said god allowed it because the ...[text shortened]... t. Holy crapoly! That is a religious mind for you. I would get clear of religion if I were you.
Some have called me 'holy karoly' , but you can just call me Charlie.
Originally posted by barstuddHow do we know what the word of god is, or for that matter what god himself is? If the word of god is open to interpretation, and if god himself is unknowable, then what do we have to go by but our opinions? Surely you don't expect us to trust your opinion on such matters.
anyone can say they are religious....anyone can claim to teach religion.
just because someone teaches religion doesnt mean he obeys the word of god.
read your bible buddy.
If opinions were correct then all the opinionated peoples opinions would never differ from one another and we would never have disagreements or difference of opinion....because our o ...[text shortened]... lses run the universe.
Just accept that God does run the universe and the rest doesnt matter.
Originally posted by rwingettI reckon a better question would be are we even in the same ballpark?
How do we know what the word of god is, or for that matter what god himself is? If the word of god is open to interpretation, and if god himself is unknowable, then what do we have to go by but our opinions? Surely you don't expect us to trust your opinion on such matters.
Time to stop pretending. God is here,has always been.
We are moving out of "the law of Karma" and into "the law of Grace".
Those alive on this planet now who have the abilty to respond to such a text have the inert ability to transform themselves into "God-concious" beings.
Wisdom is not limited to those that read the bible. Everyone has been given a great opportunity to paricipate in the'Great Awakening' that is happening right now.
Jesus was a bhoddisattva and has told me not to worry. For all the pain and confusion this world has brought with it there is nothing that isn't beyond the power of the Almighty. And the first step begins with you...
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Originally posted by karoly aczelIsn't that a contradiction? Surely you have just pointed out that even the very first step is beyond the power of the Almighty?
For all the pain and confusion this world has brought with it there is nothing that isn't beyond the power of the Almighty. And the first step begins with you...
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Ooops. I misread your post. You said "there is nothing that isn't beyond the power of the Almighty." ie the Almighty has no power whatsoever. Now I get it.
Originally posted by rwingettSurely you don't expect us to trust your opinion on such matters. when you say us do you speak for someone else???? My opinion? dude....I didnt write the bible, and the words written in the bible is not my opinion....but I accept the words written in the bible, because I simply see the truth in everything written in it, every single word makes sense.
How do we know what the word of god is, or for that matter what god himself is? If the word of god is open to interpretation, and if god himself is unknowable, then what do we have to go by but our opinions? Surely you don't expect us to trust your opinion on such matters.
but as long as you fill your own head with doubts and opinions then the truth will always be hidden from your view.
what you do not see is more real than what you do.
only you can motivate yourself to go to church on Sunday, read the bible, and accept Jesus into your life.,Its your choice you can either accept or deny.
You Believe Someone Created this website right, yet you didnt see him do it though, but the websites here so someone must have designed it right? yet you cant believe that the Earth was created because you didnt see its creator...
think about this.
Believers list-----Non Believer list
God--------------Satan
Love-------------Hate
Yes--------------no
Positive----------Negative
Right-------------wrong
up----------------down
heaven----------hell
Originally posted by rwingettI absolutely do not dispute that fact (i.e. the purpose of the spirituality forum).
the spirituality forum is not in any way restricted to people who take a positive view of spirituality. It is intended as a forum to discuss spiritual matters, whether they be pro or con.
What just never ceases to amaze me is that there are actually people who hold the "con" view that constantly make use of it!
Let's take, for example, an Orchid Growers Forum. If I were to daily post on it saying "you guys are all nuts, why don't you race motor cars instead!" That would say nothing about the Forum (of course, "anti" people are quite welcome to post on it) but it would certainly say quite a lot about me, wouldn't it?
Me thinks the lady doth protest too much...
Originally posted by CalJusti disagree. I think the people on here that have questioned Christianity have had a measured approach. but thats just me.
I absolutely do not dispute that fact (i.e. the purpose of the spirituality forum).
What just never ceases to amaze me is that there are actually people who hold the "con" view that constantly make use of it!
Let's take, for example, an Orchid Growers Forum. If I were to daily post on it saying "you guys are all nuts, why don't you race motor cars inst ...[text shortened]... y say quite a lot about me, wouldn't it?
Me thinks the lady doth protest too much...
Originally posted by CalJustThe obvious difference is that the Orchid Growers Club does not seek to impose an Orchidocracy on the rest of society. They keep to their own little clubs and leave everyone else alone. If Christians did the same then no one would take notice of them either.
I absolutely do not dispute that fact (i.e. the purpose of the spirituality forum).
What just never ceases to amaze me is that there are actually people who hold the "con" view that constantly make use of it!
Let's take, for example, an Orchid Growers Forum. If I were to daily post on it saying "you guys are all nuts, why don't you race motor cars inst ...[text shortened]... y say quite a lot about me, wouldn't it?
Me thinks the lady doth protest too much...
Originally posted by rwingettWe await the day when those who say "you guys are all nuts, why don't you race motor cars instead!" can be elected president of a country full of orchid growers.
The obvious difference is that the Orchid Growers Club does not seek to impose an Orchidocracy on the rest of society. They keep to their own little clubs and leave everyone else alone. If Christians did the same then no one would take notice of them either.
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Originally posted by CalJustWouldn't it actually be more like someone saying... "Ehem... excuse me guys and girls... but there's no such thing as an Orchid. You're cultivating thin air..."
I absolutely do not dispute that fact (i.e. the purpose of the spirituality forum).
What just never ceases to amaze me is that there are actually people who hold the "con" view that constantly make use of it!
Let's take, for example, an Orchid Growers Forum. If I were to daily post on it saying "you guys are all nuts, why don't you race motor cars inst ...[text shortened]... y say quite a lot about me, wouldn't it?
Me thinks the lady doth protest too much...
And before I get bombarded, that is not my personal view at all. I have no idea whether God exists in any shape or form. How could I?
Originally posted by HumeAHe doesn't He's not material.
Wouldn't it actually be more like someone saying... "Ehem... excuse me guys and girls... but there's no such thing as an Orchid. You're cultivating thin air..."
And before I get bombarded, that is not my personal view at all. I have no idea whether God exists in any shape or form. How could I?
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Originally posted by rwingettI must admit you have me there, rwingett.
The obvious difference is that the Orchid Growers Club does not seek to impose an Orchidocracy on the rest of society.
It certainly is the "imposed upon" aspect that makes Christianity so unacceptable to so many.
The word Gospel means the "Good News", and it is supposed to be brought first of all with love and respect. To many it has become the "Bad News", that God is angry with you and will torment you for ever.
It has become an unfortunate aspect of the "Christian" experience that there is much misplaced enthusiam, often accompanied by threats of hellfire and damnation ("Good News"???) that is so totally against the teachings of Christ.
It is a fact that the people that were most drawn to Jesus were the prostitutes and crooks - because they saw there genuine acceptance and understanding. The people that Jesus fought most with were the self-righteous religious zealots (call them the "Christians" of his time).
I am of the opinion that before anybody should promote the Christian message, he or she must first earn that right by living it in service to those others. That will attract and not repel them. There can be no question of "imposed upon".
I am constantly saddened by seeing this obvious example of Jesus dragged through the mud by argumentative "Christians" on RHP.
(And yes, Bosse dN, I have the capacity to be affected by the same recurring phenomena in the same way...)
Forgive them, for they know not what they do...
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