Is it true or false
29 Jul '11 20:443 editsOriginally posted by sonhouse
Where did I ever say I was an atheist? The truth is, I could care less whether there is a god or not. If there is no god, I'm home free, same as everyone else on the planet. If there is a god, it clearly doesn't give a rats asss about humans or our plight or there would not be so many religious wars and duped individuals like yourself and Dasa whom all of you think you have some kind of leg up on the universe. You are all deluded. It's really pathetic. You all obsess over religion and study and study and study and at the end of it all there is nothing just like cutting into an onion.
You're pretty confident about how a God would run the world, if he were around. Where do you get your inside information? You sound like you were around to give God some good advice, and you're really torqued because He didn't listen.
But with religious books, they are ALL written by men. No god guided anyone's hand in this, otherwise there would be one religion where you go to Australia and the aborigines there talk about a 7 day creation or you go to Madagascar and they talk about a 7 day creation or you go to the depths of the Ukraine and they also talk about a 7 day creation, this is under the assumption that the Christianity so-called faith is correct. It is a scam, designed and built from day one to control people, subjugate women and build a religious empire. Worked too.
There are things from the Bible that are mentioned in the history of practically every culture--the flood, for instance. And we aren't required to believe that the creation took seven literal days, although that's a possibility... especially given theories like Gerald(?) Schroeder's, who uses relativity to reconcile the apparent billions of years with the literal seven days. I have no idea what is true in this area, though I do have opinions, which if expressed here would be worth the paper they're printed on 🙂
Then all the other religions act as though THEY are the only ones. Hinduism, Taoism, Rastafarians, whatever. Nobody on Earth has a clue as to what is really out
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So much wasted energy and intellectual power. It needs to be put to immediate problems like the screwed up economies of the entire planet, the massive over consumption of mankind already using up half the earth's resources. To you religious types, all that is fluff, doesn't mean a thing since of course we all have a better place in our next life.
So what are you going to change by shouting about it? People, especially smart people, don't respond well to shouting (though it sometimes makes the shouter feel better 🙂 )
We already have a whole herd of tigers by the tail. It seems to me that true religious principles, if actually followed, would not have resulted in the mess we have today. "Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried." We are not required to have babies till the cows come home, but simply not having sex if we choose not to have babies is by far the simplest and safest answer to that problem. Of course, it's not necessarily the easiest, humanly speaking, but that's why we need somebody outside ourselves to help us do that (including the targets of our passions, who might much more effectively resist us, i.e., help us Do The Right Thing, if they had strong philosophical and religious reasons to do so, instead of being brainwashed into compliance by the "let it all hang out--if it feels good, do it" culture that is the logical culmination of the (a)thestic fundamentalist culture we in the non-Catholic West have had over the past 500-odd years).
What do you want? You want to save the planet, but at the same time be able to do whatever pleases you (you don't want to be told how to live your life, and instead to use whatever techie gee-whiz gizmos you can come up with to "solve" problems like overpopulation). But as should be becoming obvious even to you, that doesn't work. Overcomplicated technological solutions have so many unintended consequences (in the nuclear industry, the financial "industry," the "health industry," agriculture, you name it, it's screwed up bad wherever the geeks and the engineers have been allowed to run free) that they threaten to take our "civilization," such as it is, down the toilet in the next five-to-a-hundred years, and most if not all of us with it.
What a load of crap, the biggest scam of the last 3000 years ALL of you. Hindu's, Jews, Muslims, Christians, you make me sick with your eternal bickering while the whole planet dies right around us.
Well, no doubt scamsters have pulled their stunts in every religion you can name. Some of the worst ones, though, were those who thought they could see through it all; they really didn't believe in the religions they were using as cover. (Scamsters are not only crooks, they are hypocrites too.) But the most dangerous scamsters of all are the ones who have been taken in by their own scams and don't even know it.
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Got a reading list for you. You're perfectly welcome to blow me off, but before doing so, consider the fact that many highly intelligent people--much smarter than me--have considered the evidence and concluded that the Christian faith (and more particularly the Catholic faith) is the ultimate truth (well, at least as close as we get here).
The Science before Science, by Dr. Anthony Rizzi (published 2004)
The Quantum Enigma, by Dr. Wolfgang Smith (published 1989(?))
Both the above guys are physicists who have made significant contributions to both theory and practice in the 20th and 21st centuries. (Not to metion Fr. Georges Lemaitre, who came up with the Big Bang theory... and in previous centuries, Pasteur, Volta, Ampere, Coulomb, Copernicus, Galileo (yes, Galileo), etc etc etc... I'm scratching the surface here. Not to mention non-Catholics such as Dr. Walt Brown.)
Fr. Stanley Jaki's writings on science are good.
The Last Superstition, by Dr. Edward Feser
Aquinas, by Dr. Edward Feser
The works of E.F. Schumacher, particularly Small is Beautiful and A Guide for the Perplexed.
Rizzi and Feser are, I believe, theistic evolutionists, while Brown and Schumacher and others don't buy evolution, but as I said elsewhere, that's mainly a scientific (and somewhat philosophical) debate, and it's nowhere near being settled as far as I can tell, orthodox scientific protests to the contrary notwithstanding.
By the way, whatever you may think of me and my opinions personally, I really enjoy trading rants with you, and I applaud your selfless concern for the rest of the human race (however inconsistent with your professed (non-)beliefs it seems 🙂 ).
Where did I ever say I was an atheist? The truth is, I could care less whether there is a god or not. If there is no god, I'm home free, same as everyone else on the planet. If there is a god, it clearly doesn't give a rats asss about humans or our plight or there would not be so many religious wars and duped individuals like yourself and Dasa whom all of you think you have some kind of leg up on the universe. You are all deluded. It's really pathetic. You all obsess over religion and study and study and study and at the end of it all there is nothing just like cutting into an onion.
You're pretty confident about how a God would run the world, if he were around. Where do you get your inside information? You sound like you were around to give God some good advice, and you're really torqued because He didn't listen.
But with religious books, they are ALL written by men. No god guided anyone's hand in this, otherwise there would be one religion where you go to Australia and the aborigines there talk about a 7 day creation or you go to Madagascar and they talk about a 7 day creation or you go to the depths of the Ukraine and they also talk about a 7 day creation, this is under the assumption that the Christianity so-called faith is correct. It is a scam, designed and built from day one to control people, subjugate women and build a religious empire. Worked too.
There are things from the Bible that are mentioned in the history of practically every culture--the flood, for instance. And we aren't required to believe that the creation took seven literal days, although that's a possibility... especially given theories like Gerald(?) Schroeder's, who uses relativity to reconcile the apparent billions of years with the literal seven days. I have no idea what is true in this area, though I do have opinions, which if expressed here would be worth the paper they're printed on 🙂
Then all the other religions act as though THEY are the only ones. Hinduism, Taoism, Rastafarians, whatever. Nobody on Earth has a clue as to what is really out
... snip ...
So much wasted energy and intellectual power. It needs to be put to immediate problems like the screwed up economies of the entire planet, the massive over consumption of mankind already using up half the earth's resources. To you religious types, all that is fluff, doesn't mean a thing since of course we all have a better place in our next life.
So what are you going to change by shouting about it? People, especially smart people, don't respond well to shouting (though it sometimes makes the shouter feel better 🙂 )
We already have a whole herd of tigers by the tail. It seems to me that true religious principles, if actually followed, would not have resulted in the mess we have today. "Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried." We are not required to have babies till the cows come home, but simply not having sex if we choose not to have babies is by far the simplest and safest answer to that problem. Of course, it's not necessarily the easiest, humanly speaking, but that's why we need somebody outside ourselves to help us do that (including the targets of our passions, who might much more effectively resist us, i.e., help us Do The Right Thing, if they had strong philosophical and religious reasons to do so, instead of being brainwashed into compliance by the "let it all hang out--if it feels good, do it" culture that is the logical culmination of the (a)thestic fundamentalist culture we in the non-Catholic West have had over the past 500-odd years).
What do you want? You want to save the planet, but at the same time be able to do whatever pleases you (you don't want to be told how to live your life, and instead to use whatever techie gee-whiz gizmos you can come up with to "solve" problems like overpopulation). But as should be becoming obvious even to you, that doesn't work. Overcomplicated technological solutions have so many unintended consequences (in the nuclear industry, the financial "industry," the "health industry," agriculture, you name it, it's screwed up bad wherever the geeks and the engineers have been allowed to run free) that they threaten to take our "civilization," such as it is, down the toilet in the next five-to-a-hundred years, and most if not all of us with it.
What a load of crap, the biggest scam of the last 3000 years ALL of you. Hindu's, Jews, Muslims, Christians, you make me sick with your eternal bickering while the whole planet dies right around us.
Well, no doubt scamsters have pulled their stunts in every religion you can name. Some of the worst ones, though, were those who thought they could see through it all; they really didn't believe in the religions they were using as cover. (Scamsters are not only crooks, they are hypocrites too.) But the most dangerous scamsters of all are the ones who have been taken in by their own scams and don't even know it.
---------------
Got a reading list for you. You're perfectly welcome to blow me off, but before doing so, consider the fact that many highly intelligent people--much smarter than me--have considered the evidence and concluded that the Christian faith (and more particularly the Catholic faith) is the ultimate truth (well, at least as close as we get here).
The Science before Science, by Dr. Anthony Rizzi (published 2004)
The Quantum Enigma, by Dr. Wolfgang Smith (published 1989(?))
Both the above guys are physicists who have made significant contributions to both theory and practice in the 20th and 21st centuries. (Not to metion Fr. Georges Lemaitre, who came up with the Big Bang theory... and in previous centuries, Pasteur, Volta, Ampere, Coulomb, Copernicus, Galileo (yes, Galileo), etc etc etc... I'm scratching the surface here. Not to mention non-Catholics such as Dr. Walt Brown.)
Fr. Stanley Jaki's writings on science are good.
The Last Superstition, by Dr. Edward Feser
Aquinas, by Dr. Edward Feser
The works of E.F. Schumacher, particularly Small is Beautiful and A Guide for the Perplexed.
Rizzi and Feser are, I believe, theistic evolutionists, while Brown and Schumacher and others don't buy evolution, but as I said elsewhere, that's mainly a scientific (and somewhat philosophical) debate, and it's nowhere near being settled as far as I can tell, orthodox scientific protests to the contrary notwithstanding.
By the way, whatever you may think of me and my opinions personally, I really enjoy trading rants with you, and I applaud your selfless concern for the rest of the human race (however inconsistent with your professed (non-)beliefs it seems 🙂 ).
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