1. Standard memberRajk999
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    07 Oct '13 18:20
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Then I would say there was no regeneration. You never really made him Lord over your life.
    Regeneration and the act of 'making Christ Lord over your life' are two separate and distinct matters.

    The Bible says the regeneration takes place when Christ returns:

    Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    You make Christ Lord over your life at the point of baptism and thereafer you vow to follow His commandments.
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    07 Oct '13 18:21
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    I have repeatedly said that this is not a personal matter.

    DONT ASK AND DONT TELL.

    If you can proceed along these lines of respecting each others privacy I will continue otherwise I would not discuss.

    IF you rephrase the question to a general one that would be fine.
    It doesn't matter, his next statement contradicts this question so it is invalid.

    He asks if you don't sin anymore then states that if you sin or have the temptation to sin then you haven't really accepted Christ as your lord. You can't have it both ways!
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    07 Oct '13 18:28
    Originally posted by MISTER CHESS
    It doesn't matter, his next statement contradicts this question so it is invalid.

    He asks if you don't sin anymore then states that if you sin or have the temptation to sin then you haven't really accepted Christ as your lord. You can't have it both ways!
    Correct .. but I bet he has a way around that contradiction. Something about Christians do not sin or more correctly their sins dont matter. Lets see ,,
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    07 Oct '13 18:331 edit
    What I don't get is why somebody who calls themself a christian and has accepted Jesus but still falls to his temptations(gambling, drugs, theft etc etc and not necessarily all of them) should make it into the new kingdom where somebody who is good (minimal sins only) their whole life but has not should be condemned.

    You should have to be above the bar on both counts or it is pointless IMO.
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    07 Oct '13 19:09
    Originally posted by MISTER CHESS
    Well, darn it! I have solved my dilemma! I'll go get baptised and let Jesus into my heart and THEN go rape, kill and plunder! Glory be to GOD! Holy Holy Holy!
    You have to have a relationship with Christ, and trust me if that is your
    heart you'll not have that.
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    07 Oct '13 19:18
    Ezekiel 18:4

    New King James Version (NKJV)

    4 “Behold, all souls are Mine;
    The soul of the father
    As well as the soul of the son is Mine;
    The soul who sins shall die.

    If one does not sin one would not die. But yet so many feel the way checkbaiter does about being saved but yet they all still die....
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    07 Oct '13 19:33
    Hands up anyone here who has never sinned since becoming aware of Christ (what others call salvation...whatever you call it)?
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    07 Oct '13 19:35
    Originally posted by MISTER CHESS
    What I don't get is why somebody who calls themself a christian and has accepted Jesus but still falls to his temptations(gambling, drugs, theft etc etc and not necessarily all of them) should make it into the new kingdom where somebody who is good (minimal sins only) their whole life but has not should be condemned.

    You should have to be above the bar on both counts or it is pointless IMO.
    So you believe you must be sinless after you are forgiven?
    I'd like for you to be clear on this point, from the time you accept Christ
    if you sin one time after that, have a lustful thought, hate someone, call
    someone a fool, anything that goes against your conscious you just
    rendered yourself as unworthy? This is your idea of what goes on when
    a sinner asks God to forgive him?
    Kelly
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    07 Oct '13 21:232 edits
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    So you believe you must be sinless after you are forgiven?
    I'd like for you to be clear on this point, from the time you accept Christ
    if you sin one time after that, have a lustful thought, hate someone, call
    someone a fool, anything that goes against your conscious you just
    rendered yourself as unworthy? This is your idea of what goes on when
    a sinner asks God to forgive him?
    Kelly
    Could u point me to exactly where I say that?
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    07 Oct '13 22:39
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Christ was sinless, what are you saying? There is a distinction between involuntary sins and wilful unrepentant sinning, for the former, Christ propitiatory sacrifice covers it, for the latter, there is no more any sacrifice left, they impale the Christ again and treat his sacrifice as nothing.
    So who is paying for your sins now?
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    07 Oct '13 22:41
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    The law of Christ now applies. What is all tbat about sacrificing cattle?
    Do you really understand the teachings of Christ?

    This thread is about Christ .. or did it read it wrong.
    What exactly of what Christ said pertaining to eternal life do you actually accept.

    He said to love God and love your neighbour as yourself. Is that correct doctrine?

    ...[text shortened]... ll the cows come home , rape and killl 6 yr olds, steal and etc etc and still get eternal life ?
    Everyone sins every day. How do you reconcile your present and future sins, since there is no more sacrifice?
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    07 Oct '13 22:42
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    So who is paying for your sins now?
    I am, the wages of sin is death, I am dying.
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    07 Oct '13 22:43
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    I have repeatedly said that this is not a personal matter.

    DONT ASK AND DONT TELL.

    If you can proceed along these lines of respecting each others privacy I will continue otherwise I would not discuss.

    IF you rephrase the question to a general one that would be fine.
    I'm not asking for specifics here, I am only asking how these sins are paid for now?
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    07 Oct '13 22:43
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    I am, the wages of sin is death, I am dying.
    So then you have no hope? Your done?
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    07 Oct '13 22:451 edit
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    So then you have no hope? Your done?
    No i have a hope that i may be resurrected, I have a hope of living forever, but I am not saved, not by a long way and neither are you or jaywill.
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