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@Rajk999 saidSorry for the delay but I've been away and I'm catching up. In this section I will deal with your Eugenics and the USA comments. I'll move on to the relationship between the USA/Germany in the next post.
Ok I read up on that. So in the early 1900s the US and Europe were toying with [and even doing it] the idea of using sterilization to stop reproduction in certain people. These were mentally and physically disabled, murderers and people with persistent criminal lifestyles and other such undesirables. It was not a race issue. In the US there were about 60,000 such people w ...[text shortened]... s discontinued.
The question is how is the US responsible for Hitlers use of eugenics in Germany?
The short response to your observations is that The Eugenics laws were race motivated and did not end in 1945 but continued until 1979.
Some mile stones
1907 saw the first law of forced Eugenics in Indianna.
According to the AI deep dive “Eugenics Ideology: The eugenics movement, which Indiana's law pioneered, aimed to "improve the human race" by preventing the "unfit" from procreating. "Fitness" was a concept white elites used to promote the increased breeding of "Anglo Saxons and Nordics" and label most immigrants, Black, and Indigenous people as "unfit"
1910 Californian “Asexulisation Acts” heavily targeting Latinos who were viewed as “hyperferile”. AI deep dive notes “The law disproportionately targeted immigrants, people of colour (especially those of Mexican origin), the poor, and people with disabilities.”
1927 Buck v’s Bell US supreme court upheld Indiana’s position on sterylisation.
1947 Nuremberg trials - German Lawyers use Buck v Bell as part of the defence against forced sterilisation charges against the Nazi goverment.
1976 The U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO), formerly the General Accounting Office, issued a report in 1976 that found thousands of Native American women were sterilized without their full, informed consent between 1973 and 1976 by the Indian Health Service (IHS), an agency of the U.S. government.
2024 Paper published entitled “Forced sterilisation in the state of California from 1909 to 1979: A historical and legal analysis” by Krystian K. Jabłoński
I'll leave you to read that one, but the fact that it runs to 1979 was the bit that I wanted to highlight. (I did read the abstract and conclusion).
@Rajk999 saidAre you aware that by the late 1800s, serious Christian theologians had concluded that "Jesus of Nazareth" never really existed except as a legend?
Here is Jesus sending out disciples to preach, advising them to carry a sword :
And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. ... And ...[text shortened]... s life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. (Mat 10:34-39 KJV)
The post that was quoted here has been removedI have reported your post, but I will say this: Rudolf Bultmann (for instance) was Lutheran.
I come from a Catholic family on both sides, and I found your post offensive.
I imagine there are devout Catholic members in the forums.
And don't just blame it on the drink, as you exercise your megalomania over there on Tiki Torch Island where it seems you like to comment on everything else but without the consequences you might face if you actually lived in the larger world or society in general.
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@Rajk999 saidAre you yourself Christian in any sense?
You mean you get your theological information from those guys who stick their dicks into little boys butts? Good for you.
In your youth, did you ever receive this kind of instruction?
Try not to have evil thoughts.
If you can't manage that, at least don't say evil things.
If you also can't manage that, at least don't do evil things.
Pretty sure that was borrowed from Jewish teachings and promoted by the Catholics. I hope the other Christian sects post-Reformation would have carried that over.
So, how is your practice coming along?
@Arkturos saidWho cares where you are from? Did Catholic priests sexually abuse people over the centuries?
I have reported your post, but I will say this: Rudolf Bultmann (for instance) was Lutheran.
I come from a Catholic family on both sides, and I found your post offensive.
I imagine there are devout Catholic members in the forums.
And don't just blame it on the drink, as you exercise your megalomania over there on Tiki Torch Island where it seems you like to comment ...[text shortened]... out the consequences you might face if you actually lived in the larger world or society in general.
The answer is YES !! and the figure runs into millions ... MILLIONS !!!
Nobody cares about your feelings ... moron.
@Rajk999 saidYou come across as rather prejudiced, not to mention flailing.
Who cares where you are from? Did Catholic priests sexually abuse people over the centuries?
The answer is YES !! and the figure runs into millions ... MILLIONS !!!
Nobody cares about your feelings ... moron.
We are strangers, therefore I think it would be incorrect for me to ask such an intimate question as whether you yourself had ever been abused by a Catholic priest or someone else in the "holy orders".
Catholic Priests (and Brothers and Sisters) are not all child molesters; however, we might agree that the Church's protection of the abusers from the ordinary consequences of the law in whatever country was very, very wrong.
As for feelings, maybe some have cared about mine but I didn't appreciate it well enough at the time, and I have also cared about others, so I think it might be possible.
And if I'm a moron, that gives me hope for the future of humanity, and I don't mind being less smart than the rest.
@Arkturos saidGetting personal information about someone during a discussion is a sign of a failed argument. I have asked you nothing, and I will continue to ask nothing.
You come across as rather prejudiced, not to mention flailing.
We are strangers, therefore I think it would be incorrect for me to ask such an intimate question as whether you yourself had ever been abused by a Catholic priest or someone else in the "holy orders".
Catholic Priests (and Brothers and Sisters) are not all child molesters; however, we might agree that the ...[text shortened]... n of the abusers from the ordinary consequences of the law in whatever country was very, very wrong.
The issue is about the sexual abuse Catholic priests forced onto their members especially children. Its disgusting .. rape and pedophalia ..and these people should be executed, instead of protected. The entire Catholic clergy including the Pope is complicit and guilty.
All dont have to be participating, but ALL knew about it.
Please stop talking to me.. You are an idiot.
@Rajk999 saidYou come across as vindictive (although admirably on behalf of other people) and unloving.
Getting personal information about someone during a discussion is a sign of a failed argument. I have asked you nothing, and I will continue to ask nothing.
The issue is about the sexual abuse Catholic priests forced onto their members especially children. Its disgusting .. rape and pedophalia ..and these people should be executed, instead of protected. The entire Catho ...[text shortened]... have to be participating, but ALL knew about it.
Please stop talking to me.. You are an idiot.
As for me being an idiot, I do know a few things.
Have none of your (or anyone's) ancestors ever murdered anyone, or is your bloodline entire completely innocent?
@Arkturos saidI see. You mean you only care about yourself and if you were personally abused by a Catholic priest, only then you should say something. You dont give a damn that millions over the decades have been sexually abused, and have all escaped punishment. I would think that when these pedophiles go down to hell they would be in for a shock.
You come across as vindictive (although admirably on behalf of other people) and unloving.
As for me being an idiot, I do know a few things.
Have none of your (or anyone's) ancestors ever murdered anyone, or is your bloodline entire completely innocent?
I dont ask, neither answer, personal questions
@Rajk999 saidYou come across as dodgy, insincere, and presumptive.
I see. You mean you only care about yourself and if you were personally abused by a Catholic priest, only then you should say something. You dont give a damn that millions over the decades have been sexually abused, and have all escaped punishment. I would think that when these pedophiles go down to hell they would be in for a shock.
I dont ask, neither answer, personal questions
Not that this is any kind of counseling board, but what is wrong with you personally, and is there anything we could do to help?
@Rajk999 saidI was a gay kid raised by well-meaning Catholics.
I see. You mean you only care about yourself and if you were personally abused by a Catholic priest, only then you should say something. You dont give a damn that millions over the decades have been sexually abused, and have all escaped punishment. I would think that when these pedophiles go down to hell they would be in for a shock.
I dont ask, neither answer, personal questions
I wonder if your hyper-analytical and combative mind can find some answers there.
You also come across as trollish. (I should have included that in my previous post.)
"PenTesting"? To penetrate what or whom? Please explain.
@Rajk999 said>> I see.
I see. You mean you only care about yourself and if you were personally abused by a Catholic priest, only then you should say something. You dont give a damn that millions over the decades have been sexually abused, and have all escaped punishment. I would think that when these pedophiles go down to hell they would be in for a shock.
I dont ask, neither answer, personal questions
Do you?
>> You mean you only care about yourself and if you were personally abused by a Catholic priest, only then you should say something.
Do I?
>> You dont give a damn that millions over the decades have been sexually abused, and have all escaped punishment.
Don't I, and are we still talking about the Catholics?
>> I would think that when these pedophiles go down to hell they would be in for a shock.
Why would you?