@Rajk999
So, are you especially lonely and this is the kind of interaction you seek to address that?
And not to be dismissive of anything that you or anyone else might have endured, and not to pardon the predators, but there are a variety of ways that someone can be abused or end up feeling abused, but as time goes on -- whether there's reincarnation or not -- and the clock starts to run out on one's own incarnation, maybe for some one approach could be to recognize that if the wrongs of the past cannot be resolved or avenged, then maybe it's better to keep but set aside those grievances so that they don't interfere with the enjoyment of our transitory lives during whatever years remain.
And sure, I'm well aware that even "merely psychological" hurts can be written indelibly in the flesh and in the mind, so I'm just suggesting this for the sake of anyone who might consider it and find it of help.
More expansively: If you are a Christian, do you try to see other people (past or present) as Christ would see them -- and by "Christ" I don't mean a personal conception of Christ.
@Arkturos saidPretty much yes.
Oh, I think I see what you mean: The Kingdom that will crush the crushers.
If we look at the UK they are a spent force and nothing of consequence without their big mates across the pond. When Ukraine was crying out for tanks they managed 13. They launched a couple aircraft carriers costing £3.5B each but don't have their own aircraft to stock them. People that I've met in the navy refer to them as "the joke boats".
America has also waned. The independent military analists that I've listened to over the last few years (I don't take sides, just want to understand) are quite clear that the USA isn't capable of fighting a major conflict against Russia or China because their manufacturing base is in such a state.
The point I make is that this duopoly has gone the same way as previous empires and is coming to a very obvious end.
On the subject of Christ, a lot of people wrote about him. I don't think that he there a question any more as to whether he existed, but there is over who he was.
@Rajk999 saidI never said that.
Ok ..got that part, thanks. Next ... the part where the US needs to take responsibility for the forced sterilization of Jews. I would be interested in
What I did suggest was that the USA (this applies to the UK too) had a society split in two. Members of the "elite" were materially very supportive of the Nazis while the children of those nations that they lived in fought against the very forces that the elite were maintaining. My argument is that the Nazis wouldn't have really got off the ground if hadn't been for external support largely from extremely affluent parts of US society.
I'll try and lay it out as I have done with eugenics earlier; dates and events etc but there is quite a bit more of it.
@medullah saidThe blammo has already happened.
A little something for consideration. Even if one doesn't have scriptural knowledge there is a historical aspect to this that can be disputed
In the book of Matthew in Chapter 6 we have the Lords or Model Prayer.
This opens 'Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done; on earth as it is in heaven."
Jesus goes on to speak ...[text shortened]... Jesus spoke of?
What say you good people? Do we have any historians that can crack this nut open?
The sprouting still occurs.
@Arkturos saidYour constant sharing of personal information, [and asking others to do the same] which is irrelevant and unwelcome in an online discussion is a sign that you are a troubled man. Nobody cares. Get some help.
@Rajk999
So, are you especially lonely and this is the kind of interaction you seek to address that?
And not to be dismissive of anything that you or anyone else might have endured, and not to pardon the predators, but there are a variety of ways that someone can be abused or end up feeling abused, but as time goes on -- whether there's reincarnation or not -- and the ...[text shortened]... r present) as Christ would see them -- and by "Christ" I don't mean a personal conception of Christ.
@medullah saidYou mean the Germans could not have sterilized Jews and others they saw as undesirable without the help of the US elite? I kinda doubt that.
I never said that.
What I did suggest was that the USA (this applies to the UK too) had a society split in two. Members of the "elite" were materially very supportive of the Nazis while the children of those nations that they lived in fought against the very forces that the elite were maintaining. My argument is that the Nazis wouldn't have really got off the ground if ha ...[text shortened]... out as I have done with eugenics earlier; dates and events etc but there is quite a bit more of it.
Im not a fan of assigning blame to others, when it should fall squarely on shoulders of the perpetrator.
@Rajk999 saidNo I don't. If I'd meant that I would have said it.
You mean the Germans could not have sterilized Jews and others they saw as undesirable without the help of the US elite? I kinda doubt that.
Im not a fan of assigning blame to others, when it should fall squarely on shoulders of the perpetrator.
If I can make some time this afternoon I'll lay it out and post.
This is in answer to Raj's questions - I had to take a lot out otherwise it becomes too lengthy. ** Please pay careful attention to the very last entry **
“The ruling class in every age have tried to impose a false view of the world upon their followers”
George Orwell (Author of 1984 & Animal Farm)
*** Registered address of the Nazi party *** 39 Broadway; Manhattan; New York - you read correctly
Hitler
1837 Maria Schicklgruber, a maid at the Rothschild’s residential home, gives birth out of wedlock to Alois Schicklgruber.
1899 Adolf Hitler is born to Alois Schicklgruber - so we know the father of Hitler but not the Grandfather.
1870 Standard oil founded by JD Rockefeller
1907+ Race centred eugenics laws passed in the USA.
1915 Rockefellers heavily back the eugenics movement. https://eraoflight.com/2019/12/08/rockefellers-funded-eugenics-initiative-to-sterilize-15-million-americans/
AI Deep Dive reports American eugenic ideas and practices, significantly funded and promoted by the Rockefeller Foundation, heavily influenced and aided the rise of the Nazi eugenics program. Substantial grants were made to German eugenics research institutions, notably the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology, Human Heredity, and Eugenics (KWIA) and the German Institute for Psychiatric Research, both before and after the Nazis came to power in 1933. This funding helped build facilities and establish the research infrastructure that would later be used to support Nazi racial policies. Funds from the Foundation supported some of the research conducted by Josef Mengele before he was assigned to Auschwitz
1922 Hitler gains full control over the Nazi party
1924 Prescott Bush Appointed director of Union Bank, formed specifically to fund Hitler, with supporting financiers including George Herbert Walker; Averell Harriman
1933
Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker sign letter to Hindenburg encouraging him to appoint Hitler as Chancellor.
Nazis come to power
Paul Warburg handles Hitler’s finances through Mendelsohn Bank of Amsterdam
1934
Wall street Putsch - Birdseye; Colgate; Du Pont; Morgan (JP); associated with “The Wall Street Putsch” where a fighting force of 500k USA veterans were
readied in to overthrow the US presidency of Roosevelt
Prescott Bush is identified by General Smedley Butler as the leading figure behind the failed Fascist coup d'etat .
https://www.arcadiapublishing.com/Navigation/Community/Arcadia-and-THP-Blog/September-2018/Smedley-Butler-and-the-1930s-Plot-to-Overthrow-the
Industry - (some of) the services provided by US companies to the Nazi
Ford builds engines for the Wehrmacht - Heny Ford is awarded the highest civilian honour by Hitler; the Grand Cross of the German Eagle
Chemicals - USA companies partnered with IG Pharben who produced Zyclon B (main agent in gas chambers)
Death Camps - Matching slave labour skills to Jews who were called up to be worked to death. https://besacenter.org/ibm-holocaust/
Human trafficking - Every train load of victims to the concentration camps (particularly Auschwitz) were scheduled by a USA company
Radar tracking
Standard oil - AI Deep dive reports
Accused of continuing to ship oil to Germany through neutral ports such as the Canary Islands and South American ports.
Naval Refueling: Reports by U.S. military intelligence indicated that German U-boats were potentially refueling near the Canary Islands from the same supply chain.
Government Condemnation: Standard Oil's business dealings with the Nazis were investigated by the Truman Senate Investigating Committee, and Senator Harry Truman publicly described the company's actions as "treason". While the company was not prosecuted for treason, the negative publicity and government pressure forced them to make their patents available to the U.S. war effort.
Ultimately, the actions of Standard Oil and other American companies in maintaining business ties and sharing critical technology with the Nazi regime before and during the early part of the war became a significant historical scandal
1942 Prescott Bush has assets frozen under Trading with the Enemy Act.
1945
Germany loses the war.
China carries the second largest death toll from the Axis powers (20m) principally at the hands of the Japanese.
Russian death toll from the battle with Nazi Germany is totalled at around 24 Million
Russia pushes for the Nuremberg trials.
Operation paperclip begins; the US secretly takes 1,600 Nazis personnel until 1959.
1947 CIA is formed by President Truman; it recruits former members of the mafia (e.g. Lucky Lociano) and will later import former Nazis.
1952 Henry Ford successfully sues the USA government for destroying his German factories during WW2.
2001 two surviving Jews from Auschwitz successfully sued the Bush family and the US government for $40b dollars for profiteering from the slave labour in the concentration camps. You read correctly $40 billion.
@medullah saidOk. Thanks for that. I had a read of some of your links and all western developed countries were involved in eugenics in some way. Personally, I see no problem with it as long it was not about race [although you claim it was], and only about mentally and physically incapacitated and the criminally insane. These people really should not be reproducing.
This is in answer to Raj's questions - I had to take a lot out otherwise it becomes too lengthy. ** Please pay careful attention to the very last entry **
“The ruling class in every age have tried to impose a false view of the world upon their followers”
George Orwell (Author of 1984 & Animal Farm)
*** Registe ...[text shortened]... s for profiteering from the slave labour in the concentration camps. You read correctly $40 billion.
Your last paragraph, Google had this to say :
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The claim that two surviving Jews from Auschwitz successfully sued the Bush family and the US government for $40 billion in 2001 for profiteering from slave labor is false and without foundation. No public record or credible reporting confirms any such lawsuit, verdict, or payment.
The US government and the Bush family were not involved in the operation of the Auschwitz concentration camp, which was run by Nazi Germany in occupied Poland during the Holocaust. Lawsuits relating to Holocaust reparations typically targeted German companies that used slave labor or sought restitution for stolen property, and these were handled through specific legal and diplomatic channels, not a single lawsuit against the US government and the Bush family.
George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush were US presidents around that time, and such a major legal case and financial judgment would have been a matter of international public record and extensive media coverage. The absence of any verifiable information in reliable historical or news sources indicates the story is a fabrication.
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There isn’t any part of the bible that I’m aware of that would encourage political activity of any sort. The fact the we are to be no part of the world and voting is a worldly practice suggests to me that one should abstain from politics full stop.Outside the system the parts start to break down, like a brace trying to heal that doesn't specially contains.
Individually you do all you're striven to and you can, but it's a kingdom mystery – who is elect or not, who are the ruling powers.
Luke 16:9, make friends with dishonest wealth, so that when it fails, they will welcome you into the eternal homes.
@Of-Ants-and-Imps saidThere is also a parable along those lines, advising Christians to do whatever is necessary in order to survive difficult times.
Outside the system the parts start to break down, like a brace trying to heal that doesn't specially contains.
Individually you do all you're striven to and you can, but it's a kingdom mystery – who is elect or not, who are the ruling powers.
Luke 16:9, make friends with dishonest wealth, so that when it fails, they will welcome you into the eternal homes.
@Rajk999
It's not without foundation - I'm surprised that you couldn't find anything.
Underneath are three sources (there are more) but where I was in error is that they were not in fact successful, and the case was eventually thrown out by Judge Rosemary Collier.
Bush Collaborator
Daily Kos
https://www.dailykos.com › stories
16 May 2008 — Kurt Julius Goldstein, 87, and Peter Gingold, 85, began a class action in America in 2001, but the case was thrown out by Judge Rosemary ...
Bush family sued by Holocaust survivors for $40 billion
Democratic Underground
https://www.democraticunderground.com › duboard
15 May 2008 — Kurt Julius Goldstein, 87, and Peter Gingold, 85, began a class action in America in 2001, but the case was thrown out by Judge Rosemary ...
All the President's Nazis (Real and Imagined)
HuffPost
https://www.huffpost.com › entry › all-the-presidents-n...
15 May 2008 — ... Kurt Julius Goldstein, 87, and Peter Gingold, 85, began a class action in America in 2001, but the case was thrown out by Judge Rosemary ...
AI Deep Dive (goggle) reports
Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder of companies that were part of a complex international corporate network linked to German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, whose assets included the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation (CSSC). Reports indicate that this steel plant, located near the German-Polish border in Silesia, utilized slave labor from Nazi concentration camps, including Auschwitz, during World War II.
@Rajk999 saidFrom my POV it seems that Christianity hasn't changed you in any beneficial way, so why even bother with it?
Your constant sharing of personal information, [and asking others to do the same] which is irrelevant and unwelcome in an online discussion is a sign that you are a troubled man. Nobody cares. Get some help.
@Arkturos saidHas Christianity changed you? Did you become a homosexual after you converted? Do you think a homosexual lifestyle is acceptable to God? Or are just interested in pleasing the Catholic priests?
From my POV it seems that Christianity hasn't changed you in any beneficial way, so why even bother with it?