Actually I'd retract this
@medullah said
"If you live in the UK you'll know that if the television channels are telling you something the inverse is probably true."
I must have been feeling particularly optimistic on this day (can't find the original post) as I don't think that this is true on reflection.
I don't believe that there are that many that would recognise the deception, though I think that the number may be growing.
@Paul-Martin
We'll get to me - I just want to make sure that I have understood you correctly?
Let's start off with Covid (we can work through anything else thereafter)?
Am I right in thinking that your idea of research is to sit in front of the television and believe what two government funded propaganda channels told you to believe? What (if) any research did you do to independently verify that what you were being told was accurate/inaccurate (other than watch telly).
What is your understanding (from the BBC/Channel4) of how the disease arose; what it actually was; and the effectiveness of the medication that those two channels were advocating?
Then we'll get to me.
Before we do though I'd like to flag up that there is a movement across the UK to defund the BBC, because of its low quality of journalism and biased reporting.
@moonbus saidOnly Evangelical MAGA men with fine proportions, nicely defined abs, a strong jawline, and a good skin-care regimen should be allowed to vote.
Only Evangelical men should vote, their women not.
https://www.npr.org/2025/08/09/nx-s1-5497226/women-pastor-pete-hegseth-vote
@medullah saidSorry if I have already replied along these lines (and especially to such a detailed OP), but if there is such a thing as The Kingdom of God, it always exists, timelessly. Ever has and ever will.
A little something for consideration. Even if one doesn't have scriptural knowledge there is a historical aspect to this that can be disputed
In the book of Matthew in Chapter 6 we have the Lords or Model Prayer.
This opens 'Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done; on earth as it is in heaven."
Jesus goes on to speak ...[text shortened]... Jesus spoke of?
What say you good people? Do we have any historians that can crack this nut open?
The people who are waiting for it to arrive are the people who have not yet arrived.
How's that? 😉
@moonbus saidUnless they're Addamses.
Given that the message is to love one's fellow man, propagating it with thumbscrews is not likely to have the desired effect.
Otherwise, psychological abuse, the threat of social shunning, or just plain bombing other people to hell or shooting them dead in front of their children are valid and well-established means to get other people to love each other as they love themselves (which might be a dodgy approach, because I'm not sure many people really do love themselves).
(edit: maybe I had better just scan the most recent pages of this thread instead of commenting on old news)
@KellyJay saidBumping because of agreement.
Many believe in might makes right, that there are the royals who should rule over the peasants. The ruling class has a mighty high opinion of themselves and a very low opinion of others. So much so that most arguments are not made through reasoning; typically, it all comes down to trying to lower the status of the one they are arguing with, making them less than. Spoil th ...[text shortened]... an uncaring bystander; a human being can be more horrific or honorable, and then later change sides.
What ever happened to noblesse oblige ?
@Paul-Martin saidThe point that I was making to you, in response to you're comment " Lots of people in UK would disagree with you and put their reason down to experience and research too" is that this probably isn't true; not to say that they don't disagree with me, but I would challenge the research that has been done.
I've already answered your questions and you ask me 3 more without answering mine to you!
Not wasting my time anymore. Have a good evening.
Have a good evening yourself Paul, give me a shout if you fancy a game.