@sonship saidYou are mistaken and arrorant to equate yourself with Paul and the Apostles. The churches and ecclesias TRUSTED them. You do not have the trust of anyone around here. In fact most here distrust you because you have historically proven to be wrong. All people are asking is for you to present your facts from the bible in a brief manner, no lectures. Nobody wants you to feed them.
People,
Accumulating knowledge and information is easy so you can be "dead right." That's one thing. I try to nourish faith. C'ause faith can TOUCH God.
That is why my posts sometimes sound devotional.
Peter told the Christians not just to "teach" the flock, but to "feed" them (1 Pet. 5:2).
And Paul wrote "If you lay these things before the brother ...[text shortened]... the words of the faith and of the good teaching which you have closely followed." (1 Tim. 4:6)
You are mistaken and arrorant to equate yourself with Paul and the Apostles.
What is wrong with comparing myself to a mentor like Paul ?
He said "Be imitators of me, as I also am of Christ." (1 Cor. 11:1)
You say a lot of stupid, junky, knee-jerk nonsense. Do you know that?
"Ooooooo! you think you're the Apostle Paul. Oooooooo! what a scandal"
"Be imitators of me, as I also am of Christ." (1 Cor. 11:1)
@suzianne saidHe may have; and, he may not have. His theory does aline with the Scriptures somewhat. However, I feel he is greatly wrong when he says the anti-christ will be a good person. He is not going to be a good person. He is going to be clearly, somewhat evil; and, many people will like that and buy into that; same as many people like evil people or evil actions today. You can find many of them in churches on Sunday; most likely the same place that the anti-Christ will be on Sundays. As Jesus said: "you will know them by their fruits."
I believe he got more right than wrong in that post.
[Matthew 7:15-20 NKJV] 15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor [can] a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 "Therefore by their fruits you will know them." Jesus said.
@KingDavid403
I want you to know that with great interest I carefully read your post.
It was of interest to me.
I would like to respond but it would involve some in depth considerations.
Do you understand that the Antichrist breaks a covenant with Israel which at FIRST seems welcomed?
Do you understand that he will have a deadly wound, a mortal blow, from which he will recover?
KIngDavid,
IF the Antichrist establishes a covenant with the nation of Israel which THEY consider beneficial at first, it stands to reason that they regard him as somewhat a friend to the nation.
That is the first half of the seventieth week of Daniel. However welcomed his ruling is initially we know that he will BREAK that covenant in the middle of the [week} of seven years.
Now SOMETHING in his attitude which was previously positive to Israel will shift drastically in REVERSE like a stabbing in the back.
With this little explanation can you see some ground for foreseeing Antichrist as a welcomed problem solver on the world stage AT FIRST ?
@medullah
"The revelation of Jesus Christ . . . the things which must quickly take place; and He made it known by signs . . . " (Rev. 1:1)
The sign of the beast includes some aspects which are more than that of an individual person. However, clearly the beast is a [singular] man. And his number 666 is "the number of A MAN" (Rev. 13:18)
Full stop here, not to weary you.
Antichrist will come on the scene, and could already be alive for all we know.
He is killed.
Satan's power causes him to accomplish a mock resurrection from the dead.
When he comes back to life imitating the resurrection of Christ, here is where he is not longer the original person who died. He is possessed of the spirit and soul of someone from the past, a Roman emperor - Nero.
This has to be brief.
"And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.
And one of his heads was as it were slain to DEATH, and his DEATH stroke was healed. And the whole earth marveled after the beast." (Rev. 13:2,3)
Now when does this all happen? It occurs at the beginning of a forty two month period, the second HALF of the seven years. That is three and one half years from the middle of the 70th week of Daniel.
"And there was given to him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and authority was given to him to act for FORTY-TWO months." (v.5)
Satan invests his authority in this resuscitated mock resurrected being for forty-two months. In Hebrew calendar reckoning three and one half years.
In his resuscitated state he becomes the monster of Nero brought back from the dead inside the body of the slain former world leader who made a covenant with Israel of a positive nature.
@medullah saidPersonally, I do not dwell on this subject much because it does not concern me much. It's going to happen; and, there is not a damn thing that anyone can do about it; other than being right with God. The Great News is, Jesus defeated Satan on the Cross when He died for us because He loves us that much. This whole battle has already been won by God.
@KingDavid403
I'm kind of with you and already thinking in terms of somebody with more clout than a politician say like Bill Gates?
I believe in the "Pan Theory;" It's all gonna pan out in the end; and, Jesus will be our Lord for eternity.
@sonship saidYes, I have seen several theories somewhat like yours on this subject. However, up to this point, it is a theory that cannot be proven until it actually happens.
Antichrist will come on the scene, and could already be alive for all we know.
He is killed.
Satan's power causes him to accomplish a mock resurrection from the dead.
When he comes back to life imitating the resurrection of Christ, here is where he is not longer the original person who died. He is possessed of the spirit and soul of someone from the past, a Roman emp ...[text shortened]... side the body of the slain former world leader who made a covenant with Israel of a positive nature.
[Matthew 24:36 NLT] 36 "However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows."
He is going to be clearly, somewhat evil; and, many people will like that and buy into that; same as many people like evil people or evil actions today.
I think though some people will smell evil from the beginning, most of the world will see this person as initially a great problem solver. I think that is before he is killed and caused by Satan to come back to life.
"The beast that you saw was and is not and is about to come up out of the abyss and go into perdition . . . " (Rev. 17:8a)
1.) When the book of Revelation was written this person WAS - he was no longer living when John was writing.
2.) Since he "WAS" he "IS NOT" at the time John is writing.
However -
3.) He is "about to come up out of the abyss" .
Antichrist is partly someone from the past come back to life. HORRORS!
He soul and spirit is [now] waiting in the abyss. He was there while John was writing.
Now look - " . . . seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain only a short time.
And the beast who was and is not, he himself is the eighth and is out of the seven and goes into perdition. "(Rev. 17:10-11)
Antichrist is a coming king who has not YET come.
Yet he is of the past and was dead at the time John was writing.
As a coming king he is the EIGHTH king.
Yet he is "of the seven".
How can he be the eighth coming king yet also be of the seven?
He is one of the seven brought back from the dead.
And when he does he remains only a short time - 42 months.
He is therefore the combination of a coming king in body yet the soul of a king dead at the time John wrote who is in the abyss and is to come OUT of the abyss.
He comes out at Satan's beckoning. This is terrible.
He is a compounded person of a coming world leader, killed, resuscitated and inhabited by Satanic power with the spirit/ soul of a dead and returned to earth past king.
Full stop here, for length's sake alone.
[Matthew 24:36 NLT] 36 "However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows."
No one knows the time of the Parousia of Christ to rapture the vigilant saints first.
I never said the day is known. When we think not that is when the Son of Man comes.
However, three and one half years from the time the covenant with Israel is broken by Antichrist will be the great tribulation which closes with the spectacular un-secret manifestation of Christ coming down to the Holy Land.
From the time some of the church are raptured it should be approx. three and one half years LEFT until the end of the church age and the beginning of the millennial kingdom age.
He said we don't know the day of His first rapture event. We may know the year by means of when the great tribulation STARTS.
How do you link the anti-Christ with the first beast. I get the death of the sixth head means that there a resurgence of some description, but provide the scriptures that link the please.
Not pages and pages, there must be something that lets you say something along the lines of “this passage in Thessalonians links to this passage in revelation because of this passage in ...... etc.”
Remember I’m thick so you need to keep it simple 🙃
@KingDavid403
I don’t either, I was just going with the flow accepting the proposition for sake of argument. At this point in time “antichrist” to me is a set of behavioural traits that reflect a class or group.
@kingdavid403 saidConsider it thus: He will appear to be a good person. He's right in that he will appear to have solutions to many world problems. This will get people on his side. After he gets the grievous head wound and lives, the "beginning of sorrows" will be over and the "Great Tribulation" will begin. Each will last 3 1/2 years. The GT will end when Christ returns and stands on the Mount of Olives.
He may have; and, he may not have. His theory does aline with the Scriptures somewhat. However, I feel he is greatly wrong when he says the anti-christ will be a good person. He is not going to be a good person. He is going to be clearly, somewhat evil; and, many people will like that and buy into that; same as many people like evil people or evil actions today. You ...[text shortened]... own and thrown into the fire. 20 "Therefore by their fruits you will know them." Jesus said.