Originally posted by FMFThat is right and I have not changed my point on that matter one bit.
Well you started off by saying that it had nothing to do with the film and that it was a 'religious' thing only in so far as it was part of "a cover" for an assassination. By asking you three times, you've changed to conceding that the content of the film was instrumental in sparking the demonstrations and you've said "without a doubt religious sentiment is invo ing a 3rd time was going to change your answer? Yes I did. And it seems to have done so.
I believe it started as a cover for an attack, and what the US Gov. did was buy
into it hook line and sinker doubling down on that lie to push off any
culpability they may share in setting up anti-American feelings overseas. It is
easier to find a scape goat than own up to one’s own mistakes and miscues
right before an election, at least that is what I think.
Now once that started it took on a life of its own, and now I believe people are
purposely being worked up to hate America by organizations that hate America
that are indeed worldwide. I may be off here but it seems reasonable to me
that is going on. This again does not at all mean that many of those protesting
and rioting are just doing it out of religious fervor either with nothing to do
with either the murder or recruitment into the hate groups.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayYou reckon this is about Obama?
That is right and I have not changed my point on that matter one bit.
I believe it started as a cover for an attack, and what the US Gov. did was buy
into it hook line and sinker doubling down on that lie to push off any
culpability they may share in setting up anti-American feelings overseas. It is
easier to find a scape goat than own up to one’s own mistakes and miscues
right before an election, at least that is what I think.
Originally posted by FMFI'm sure he is part of it since he has been doing a lot of bragging about people
You reckon this is about Obama?
in the Muslim world he killed and the fact he has a kill list. I don't think it would
matter who is in charge whoever leads the country will be a target, because
they lead this country.
Kelly
Originally posted by FMFThey could all have the internet, but how many saw it vs how many are just
30,000,000 people have access to the internet in Egypt and Libya and you wondered if anyone saw the film in "those countries"?
You asked: "how many of those countries actually have the internet"
mad because someone has told them they should be.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayYou could have found out that there are 30,000,000 people have access to the internet in Egypt and Libya yourself rather than asking "how many of those countries actually have the internet" and then basing your assertions in a public forum on stuff you seemingly can't even guess correctly.
They could all have the internet, but how many saw it vs how many are just
mad because someone has told them they should be.
Kelly
Originally posted by FMFMost of the people in Egypt that would care about it at all, make about $2.00 per day and have no internet access.
30,000,000 people have access to the internet in Egypt and Libya and you wondered if anyone saw the film in "those countries"?
You asked: "how many of those countries actually have the internet"
Originally posted by sumydidYour claim is: "Most of the people in Egypt that would care about it at all, make about $2.00 per day and have no internet access".
Actually I JUST SAW IT on the news today because the topic came up. So it's you who plucked your accusation of thin air, and you're flat out wrong.
Just provide a link to this data if you would. Not an assertion on a blog or a reader's comment at a news site. Not a throwaway comment by a journalist that may have no more weight than claim-what-you-want stuff we've been getting on this thread. I'm interested in the data that you cited.
Originally posted by KellyJayThe incidents just seem to extract hyperbole and innaccuracy from posters, like you not knowing remotely what you're talking about in terms of the internet and the film, others smearing 1,500,000,000 people with daft claims like "the whole Muslim world erupts with violence", and others talking sheer twaddle about Islamic beliefs having claimed laughably that they have debated "theology" with Muslims. The violence is to be roundly condemned. The murderers will be tracked down and brought to justice hopefully. In the meantime, the reaction from some people here has been just to make stuff up and pass it off as analysis.
They could all have the internet, but how many saw it vs how many are just
mad because someone has told them they should be.
Kelly
Your accusation was that I just made it up out of thin air. Your accusation was false. All I have to do to prove it false (which I'm having a hard time doing because I can't find video of the newscast) is at least show that the data is somewhat accurate.
A cursory search pulled this up immediately, from a Middle Eastern reporter, reporting this, among other facts:
"Egypt’s 80 million people live under or just above the poverty line set by the United Nations at 2 dollars a day. Also, poor quality education, high unemployment and bad health care system have left most Egyptians deprived of basic needs."
Read more: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/01/26/change-in-egypt-not-yet/#ixzz26b7d9YyY
Now, if you don't BELIEVE it that is your choice. Feel free to submit a contrary opinion or factoid, or whatever.
But the bottom line is you falsely accused me of lying. The source of my material, as long as it exists, doesn't matter.
I'm telling you I saw it on the news, and I just can't recall the name of the man who said it, but he had credibility because he is the former chief [aide? or advisor? something like that] to the White House, and I remember his face distinctly because it struck me that he is so young-looking. But I saw it.
And I don't just make stuff up out of thin air. You got me pegged wrong.
This very subject came up that you are discussing and taking the wrong side on. They were discussing the claim that the anti-Muslim film actually sparked the uprising in Egypt and the guy said that is unlikely as most of Egypt makes about $2 per day and doesn't even have internet access--he said the people that cause the uprising are the leaders of the Muslim churches in Egypt who are calling for their congregations to retaliate against the US violently.
In other words, the prevailing opinion is that the violent branch of Islam is simply using the film as a convenient excuse to do what they have been itching to do.
The violence occurred on 9/11, and it was planned well in advance. The film was released on the internet on 9/11. Do the math. The violent acts against the US had nothing to do with the film, but it turns out the filmmaker is now conveniently being used as a scapegoat by both sides. Obama is using the filmmaker as a scapegoat for his failed policies.
Wouldn't surprise me if Obama labels the film "hate speech" and starts squelching our rights to freedom of speech and expression.