1. Standard memberRBHILL
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    28 Apr '05 16:11
    Jesus = The Truth

    John 8:32 - and you will know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH will make you free."

    Ironically Jesus said he was the Truth. So that means he can set you free of all your problems if you come to him, but you must believe in your heart that he will do it.

    John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the TRUTH, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.
  2. Donationrwingett
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    28 Apr '05 16:18
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Jesus = The Truth

    John 8:32 - and you will know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH will make you free."

    Ironically Jesus said he was the Truth. So that means he can set you free of all your problems if you come to him, but you must believe in your heart that he will do it.

    John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the TRUTH, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.
    What if he was lying?
  3. Standard memberRBHILL
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    28 Apr '05 16:22
    Originally posted by rwingett
    What if he was lying?
    Well then I guess we are all scrude then and are all lost.

    He rose from the dead and is alive today, so therefore I KNOW he is not lying.

    And eversense I accepted Christ my life has changed for the better. Praise God!
  4. SubscriberBigDoggProblem
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    28 Apr '05 16:42
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Well then I guess we are all scrude then and are all lost.

    He rose from the dead and is alive today, so therefore I KNOW he is not lying.

    And eversense I accepted Christ my life has changed for the better. Praise God!
    Santa Claus is alive today, and it says 'from Santa Claus' on my christmas presents, so I KNOW he is real.

    And I got some great presents last year. Praise Santa!
  5. Standard memberColetti
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    28 Apr '05 16:45
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    Santa Claus is alive today, and it says 'from Santa Claus' on my christmas presents, so I KNOW he is real.

    And I got some great presents last year. Praise Santa!
    If you want to worship Santa, that's up to you. I can see the appeal to you since he gives you all sorts of goodies.
  6. Standard memberColetti
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    28 Apr '05 16:46
    Originally posted by rwingett
    What if he was lying?
    Why ask why?
  7. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    28 Apr '05 16:53
    He asked 'what if' not 'why'!!!
  8. Standard memberColetti
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    28 Apr '05 16:59
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    He asked 'what if' not 'why'!!!
    Why what?
  9. Standard memberDarfius
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    28 Apr '05 18:33
    Originally posted by rwingett
    What if he was lying?
    Does Jesus strike you as a liar? If yes, is that based on His actions or your presuppositions?
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    28 Apr '05 18:37
    i'm sure jesus lied the odd time..even a little white lie here and there.
  11. Standard memberPhlabibit
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    28 Apr '05 19:09
    Originally posted by wucky3
    i'm sure jesus lied the odd time..even a little white lie here and there.
    Next you'll tell me baby Jesus pooped his pants.

    ES
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    28 Apr '05 19:15
    Originally posted by Phlabibit
    Next you'll tell me baby Jesus pooped his pants.

    ES
    Of course he did! That is what people are referring to when they shout...


    "HOLY SH%T!!"

    TheSkipper
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    28 Apr '05 19:16
    Originally posted by Coletti
    If you want to worship Santa, that's up to you. I can see the appeal to you since he gives you all sorts of goodies.
    Heaven is the Ultimate Goody!
    Praise Bee!
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    28 Apr '05 19:49
    Originally posted by rwingett
    What if he was lying?
    this is the clear response to the posed argument -- and i think it's logically a perfectly fair response.

    the structure of the argument is essentially

    1. jesus said he is the truth
    2. jesus said the truth will set you free
    3. therefore jesus will set you free

    so 3 follows if 1 and 2 are true, and 1 and 2 are true presumably only if jesus wasn't lying or mistaken.

    i think the argument ultimately cannot be defended on any grounds that are satisfying to any observer without faith in jesus. ultimately, from what i can tell, the christian's base argument boils down to 'you should believe the bible because it is the bible.' until my faith in the bible strengthens, this will be unsatisfying to me. i'll admit that i probably need to sit down and read more with a completely open mind (this does not mean just the bible)...

  15. Standard memberRBHILL
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    28 Apr '05 21:47
    Originally posted by Phlabibit
    Next you'll tell me baby Jesus pooped his pants.

    ES
    Jesus is not a baby.
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