Originally posted by @suzianne No, and once again, your bizarrely twisted version of what the Bible says is NOT the Word of God, just the words of Eladar.
Nothing here says that man has no free will.
Please help me understand Romans 9:16 here I give all the translations. Thanks.
Originally posted by @divegeester Constantly conflating religious and political rhetoric isn't helpful. You Americans seem to do it all the time.
It's only because only the Republican Party in America conflates the two, and insists on presenting themselves as Christian when there is almost nothing further from the truth.
Either that, or they are just stupid and support a political party that they just don't understand what it actually stands for.
On the contrary, I do not conflate the two at all. I do not see how solid, honest Christians can be Republican, unless they just don't understand that the party stands for greed and racism and sexism. And furthermore, I can't say I give a fig what someone from another country thinks of American politics. It's like me commenting on English Football.
Originally posted by @rbhill Please help me understand Romans 9:16 here I give all the translations. Thanks.
http://biblehub.com/romans/9-16.htm
As Bernard of Clairvaux wrote, "Grace is necessary to salvation, free will equally so - but grace in order to give salvation, free will in order to receive it."
Originally posted by @suzianne As Bernard of Clairvaux wrote, "Grace is necessary to salvation, free will equally so - but grace in order to give salvation, free will in order to receive it."
Originally posted by @suzianne It's only because only the Republican Party in America conflates the two, and insists on presenting themselves as Christian when there is almost nothing further from the truth.
Either that, or they are just stupid and support a political party that they just don't understand what it actually stands for.
On the contrary, I do not conflate the two at a ...[text shortened]... from another country thinks of American politics. It's like me commenting on English Football.
You treat Republicans as if they are sinners for simply being alive and thinking monotheistic thoughts. No grace there?
Originally posted by @suzianne Well, according to you, being a Calvinist means that you must be one of the elect and everyone else can just go to hell and like it.
Originally posted by @eladar If you believe the Bible is the word of God, you certainly have a weird way of showing it.
Do you believe the Bible is the word of God? If so why do you say Jesus wants some people damned when the Bible clearly says that He is not willing that any should perish?
17 Aug '17 03:27
Jesus wants some people damned
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