Originally posted by @eladarThat wasn't what we were talking about. We were talking about how you thought it was possible for Jews who do not believe Jesus was the messiah to be "saved". You volunteered the opinion that it was possible.
I think it is possible for those who have never hrard of Jesus, but that does not make it so.
Originally posted by @fmfIt is what I was talking about. You really need to quit making assumptions.
That wasn't what we were talking about. We were talking about how you thought it was possible for Jews who do not believe Jesus was the messiah to be "saved". You volunteered the opinion that it was possible.
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Originally posted by @eladarYou suggested that it was possible for Jews who do not believe Jesus was the messiah to be "saved". If you want to back pedal, just do so. Pretending that there has been some error on my part won't work.
It is what I was talking about. You really need to quit making assumptions.
Originally posted by @chaney3You seem to ignore sir that I have told you unequivocally I am an atheist and am 'not' open to the idea of God and heaven. I have been extremely clear with you about that.
Note: do not ignore again that Ghost is open minded to God and/ or Heaven. He just requires proof.
The fact that, if suddenly new undeniable evidence came to light that God existed I would conceivably review my position, doesn't make me open minded to God's existence, it just makes me a rational human being who will of course consider new evidence.
Think of it this way, I am 'not' open minded to the existence of a flying elephant. I am pretty certain in my assertion that such an animal does not exist. - However, if I went out today and encountered a flying elephant, of course I would reconsider my position.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeYou are agnostic Ghost.
You seem to ignore sir that I have told you unequivocally I am an atheist and am 'not' open to the idea of God and heaven. I have been extremely clear with you about that.
The fact that, if suddenly new undeniable evidence came to light that God existed I would conceivably review my position, doesn't make me open minded to God's existence, it ju ...[text shortened]... if I went out today and encountered a flying elephant, of course I would reconsider my position.
But you won't admit it.
Originally posted by @fabianfnasI wouldn't bet on it.
Okay, are we getting somewhere now?
Is it possible to avoid hell by reject JC as your savior? Yes or no?
Originally posted by @fabianfnasIs this a "yes" or a "no"?
Okay, are we getting somewhere now?
Is it possible to avoid hell by reject JC as your savior? Yes or no?
Originally posted by @eladar
I wouldn't bet on it.
Originally posted by @chaney3When people discuss theology, they are discussing things that appeal to their imaginations and which fit in with or shape their moral compasses. So whatever they claim about themselves and about supernatural beings and supernatural phenomena, then these are things that we then "know" for sure about them.
The moral of the story is that nobody knows.
Originally posted by @fmfIf you knew, you would still be a Christian. But....you don't know. You are a fool FMF, but don't know it.
When people discuss theology, they are discussing things that appeal to their imaginations and which fit in with or shape their moral compasses. So whatever they claim about themselves and about supernatural beings and supernatural phenomena, then these are things that we then "know" for sure about them.
God is there. You are a fool, and Ghost is a fool.
Originally posted by @sonhousePlease, after you shared your background you must have some grasp of God within
"God' doesn't reach out for anybody. A god is a god, if such exists at all, with no need for anyone else in its existence. It wouldn't NEED to be reaching out to humans as if we were its favorite pet and wants trillions of such pets held in some kind of hosanna stasis. A god, a real god, would wish for better people, more intelligent, more creative, more c ...[text shortened]... of infidels.
If now the 'so now you think you know the mind of god' card is pulled so be it.
people and God reaching out. I don't know what happened in your past, but because
there were those that were indeed faking it, or twisted things around them in a very
unhealthy manner. Even if that were the case it doesn't mean that the reality of God
wasn't real within others in your life. God reached out to me, I wasn't in a church
community growing up, I did not become a Christian until I was 25, and it didn't happen in
a church either, but someone's home I didn't even know at the time.
Your low view of God, and how he views us it pitiful, but I'd willing to bet not without cause
do you see Him that way. The shame is that you really are missing out on the best part of
life, the reality of God instead of the twisted way you describe Him, as if you did know
Him.
You think God isn't real and yet you describe Him to us all the time, I suggest while there
is still time you find the real God of Heaven, the reality is much better than your
imagination.
Originally posted by @chaney3How does what you are preaching here work, how do you know?
Ghost is not stupid. If Heaven does exist, in which he seems open minded to, then he certainly appreciates the 'support' of rajk999 that the belief in God and/or Jesus is not required.
That suits him, atheists and yourself, for that matter.
No Jesus needed. Just works.