Originally posted by @fabianfnasMost Christians are what? There isn't a nationality, country, color, and so on that can say
The paradox stands even if you change 'all' to 'most'.
Of course there are jews that believes in Jesus Christ, Virgin Mary, and the holy spirit too.
There are christians who believe in reincarnation, polygamy, and white supremacy too.
But most christians are just christians, whether they are ending up in hell or not.
we are Christians. People who answer God's call to His salvation they are Christian, it isn't
a matter of East, West, or Mid-East.
Originally posted by @kellyjayMost christians are just christians. Didn't you like this statement?
Most Christians are what? There isn't a nationality, country, color, and so on that can say
we are Christians. People who answer God's call to His salvation they are Christian, it isn't
a matter of East, West, or Mid-East.
The christian dogma is that only christians may be saved and enter the pearly gate.
Funny that gods own chosen people, the jews, disagree.
Originally posted by @fabianfnasChristians are a name given to those that accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, so if
Most christians are just christians. Didn't you like this statement?
The christian dogma is that only christians may be saved and enter the pearly gate.
Funny that gods own chosen people, the jews, disagree.
you want to denigrate that as being something other than what it is fine by me.
Originally posted by @kellyjayIn this posting I don't denigrate anyone. I'm just referring to the christian dogma. Nothing else.
Christians are a name given to those that accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, so if
you want to denigrate that as being something other than what it is fine by me.
There are christians of any kind. Why deny this? Christianity is anything but a homogeneous group of people. Criticizing one is not to criticizing every christian.
But there are one thing that differ the christian dogma from the jewish dogma and that is the importance of Jesus Christ, right? One that christians merit christans to enter the pearly gate and one that jews merit jews to enter their heaven. Not generally vice versa.
Originally posted by @fabianfnasIts Jesus Christ that makes one a Christian, anyone can make the claim, but if they do not
In this posting I don't denigrate anyone. I'm just referring to the christian dogma. Nothing else.
There are christians of any kind. Why deny this? Christianity is anything but a homogeneous group of people. Criticizing one is not to criticizing every christian.
But there are one thing that differ the christian dogma from the jewish dogma and that is ...[text shortened]... er the pearly gate and one that jews merit jews to enter their heaven. Not generally vice versa.
have Christ it is just a claim. So He cuts through everything, race, color, nationality, age,
you name it, it doesn't matter God as the source of all life is now saving it. So you can say
dogma may divide, but it doesn't divide Christ where there is one Lord, one Spirit over us,
and in us. Jesus came from the Jews, they were the first to receive Him, they were also
the first to spread the good news about God reaching out to all of mankind. Within them
those that rejected Christ were against those that accepted Him, it is no different any
where else, with any other group of people. Those with the Spirit of God, and those
without God's Spirit.
If there is a ship sinking and those that make it to the life rafts are saved and those that
do not will die due to cold water, you must realize it isn't the rafts that kill people it will be
the water people found themselves in. So our sins if not washed by the blood of Jesus
Christ, will remain, and instead of God's grace they will encounter something else.
Originally posted by @fabianfnasActually you seen a lot of that here? What binds Christians together is the Lord Jesus
I've never said that. Au contraire. Dogma unites!
Dogmae is the groupthinking that glues christians together.
Christ and the Spirit of the Almighty God. Without which there wouldn't be Christians.
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Originally posted by @kellyjaySo although you claim to be a Christian, it may well not be true. Is that right?
Its Jesus Christ that makes one a Christian, anyone can make the claim, but if they do not have Christ it is just a claim.
And if you "do not have Christ' [or, we don't know if you do or not], and your assertion that you are a Christian "is just a claim", why should anyone take anything you say about 'being a Christian' seriously?
Originally posted by @fabianfnasA personal relationship with God is group thinking for you, okay...I got it.
That's a perfect use of group thinking. Thank you!
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Originally posted by @fmfIf that were all to it, just a bunch of people telling themselves something, than yes, I'd
Millions of people telling everybody, including themselves, by way of reciting rote-learned dogma, that they have a "personal relationship with God" is group thinking for you, yes.
agree. What you fail to see is that our Creator is reaching out to His creation due to the
evil it is currently plunged in, and the love He has for us, so the greatest thing that can
happen to anyone is for those that choose to can turn their lives over to God where we
belong.
If you think this universe just happen for no cause, no reason, nothing is directing it
towards any end, and that there isn't any meaning beyond what we assign. That is group
think too do you agree?
If God is reaching out that isn't a group think, but something more, relationships do carry
within them some agreed upon thoughts lining up together yes, I like/love you so we will
travel our lives together, verses get out of my way.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayRelationship and thinking has nothing in common.
A personal relationship with God is group thinking for you, okay...I got it.
Either you think, or you have a relationship separately or you can think *and* have a relationship.
But if you have to think exactly like the others in the group you belong to, or else you end up in hell - that is group thinking.
Group thinking is very comfortable because you don't have to think by yourself. You just ask the others how to think, or you are giving the rules how to think, and you don't have to think new thoughts by yourself. Easy and relaxing. Totally without responsibility.
When I was young in church, I produced the idea that God didn't have to have a sex. He could be either a man or woman, or neither. Because he didn't need a sex. I got reprimanded thoroughly and was taught that I shouldn't think for myself. If I had questions, then just ask and we'll tell you how it really is. So I was tought that free thinking is bad, and group thinking is good. I learned the hard way that I should never think for myself again, or keep my thinking for myself. Was that a God's finger how to think? Then to be christian perhaps wasn't so good after all. God didn't answer my prayers of enlightenment and this was my first step out of the church, and later out of christianity.
I am happier now when I am allowed to think freely and not subordinate myself under group thinking.
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Originally posted by @fabianfnasI never once said, anyone had to agree with me to go to heaven that is you. I have said
Relationship and thinking has nothing in common.
Either you think, or you have a relationship separately or you can think *and* have a relationship.
But if you have to think exactly like the others in the group you belong to, or else you end up in hell - that is group thinking.
Group thinking is very comfortable because you don't have to think by ...[text shortened]... m happier now when I am allowed to think freely and not subordinate myself under group thinking.
that they need Jesus Christ which is a relationship, God giving us His Spirit and us
walking out our lives with Him. The fact that God calls us to live holy lives, to love Him
and each other binds us and we will share thoughts about how to do that.
Listen, some of the best and worse things I have ever heard were from people who
profess faith. That does not mean that God isn't real, only that people can be total a$$
inside and outside of the faith. None of that means God isn't real, it only proves that we
need God to be better, water will not rise above its source and if all we have is ourselves
we will remain at the level of crappy to each other as our nature dictates. No matter how
smart we are, how cool our new toys are, people remain people, and have been doing the
same things to each other throughout all of our recorded history.
So God moves into mankind and some choose Him, they are still surrounded by everyone
else, they are just in the mix. If people do find God, do love Him, do love each other, and
everyone around them behaves like everyone else. Does that mean they don't have
something real, because there are people around them cannot handle a valid question
from a child?
Enlightenment should have told you that people that don't know God can still stand in the
way of those searching, but if you let the hypocrite block you from God, to bad.
Originally posted by @fabianfnasNo word on group thinking about those that reject God?
Relationship and thinking has nothing in common.
Either you think, or you have a relationship separately or you can think *and* have a relationship.
But if you have to think exactly like the others in the group you belong to, or else you end up in hell - that is group thinking.
Group thinking is very comfortable because you don't have to think by ...[text shortened]... m happier now when I am allowed to think freely and not subordinate myself under group thinking.