16 Feb 14
Originally posted by josephwI started a thread on this a few years ago; it's an interesting point.
[b]The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
So, why did the Jews want to stone Jesus? I'm curious as to how the JWs butcher this verse.[/b]
16 Feb 14
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Originally posted by josephwBecause they erroneously believed that Jesus was claiming to be God Himself.
[b]The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
So, why did the Jews want to stone Jesus? I'm curious as to how the JWs butcher this verse.[/b]
What's your point?
16 Feb 14
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI guess the Christians around here aspire to be like the Jews [particularly the Pharisees] who were wrong on just about everything concerning Christ.
Because they erroneously believed that Jesus was claiming to be God.
What's your point?
When God said 'this is my beloved Son..' they dont believe that.
When the Jews said Christ is making himself God they want to believe the Jews.
Hilarous.
16 Feb 14
Originally posted by Rajk999So who (and pertinently, what) do you say that he is?
I guess the Christians around here aspire to be like the Jews [particularly the Pharisees] who were wrong on just about everything concerning Christ.
When God said 'this is my beloved Son..' they dont believe that.
When the Jews said Christ is making himself God they want to believe the Jews.
Hilarous.
16 Feb 14
Originally posted by Rajk999Apparently you can't read either!
I guess the Christians around here aspire to be like the Jews [particularly the Pharisees] who were wrong on just about everything concerning Christ.
When God said 'this is my beloved Son..' they dont believe that.
When the Jews said Christ is making himself God they want to believe the Jews.
Hilarous.
16 Feb 14
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Originally posted by josephwEvidently josephw has given up on whatever point he was trying to make via John 10:33. Seems like we can all assume that he realized that he didn't have one and instead of being a man and admitting it, he's chosen to go off the thread topic and in a completely different direction.
Rev. 1:8
[b]"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
A direct quote, right? Jesus Christ's own words, right?[/b]
For all the warnings the Bible has against pride, it seems that many Christians are as susceptible, if not more, to pride as anyone.
Business as usual on RHP.
16 Feb 14
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneNo. You fail, as does Rajk999.
Evidently josephw has given up on whatever point he was trying to make via John 10:33. Seems like we can all assume that he realized that he didn't have one and instead of being a man and admitting it, he's chosen to go off the thread topic and in a completely different direction.
Business as usual on RHP.
The Jews did NOT "erroneously believe that Jesus was claiming to be God Himself." They believed in what Jesus Himself said. And since they were not of his flock (as earlier in John 10), they sought to lay siege to him, to catch him saying something against their laws.
"I and my Father are one." -- John 10:30
Some would lessen the power of "I and my Father are one" by saying it only refers to a unity of purpose and will. But how could a statement like that be considered blasphemy by the Jews who heard Jesus say these words? The Jews of Jesus' day see clearly what the Jehovah's Witnesses and others seem to miss: that Jesus clearly claimed to be God ("... because that Thou, being a man, makest thyself God." ).
They wanted to stone Him for blasphemy, as they saw it. They did not take into consideration His works.
"Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him." -- John 10:36-38, KJV
They did not do this, because they were not of His flock.