@fmf saidI saw this after I made the previous post. I didn't know that, one gets more of an sense that he's an atheist looking in from the outside than a former believer watching the videos.
He used to claim to be a Christian and also espoused presuppositionalism - which is the idea that only someone who believes in the Christian God can understand logic, morality, science, and consciousness.
In 2018 he admitted that he did not believe in God [and started calling himself a "Cultural Christian" instead, which is, I suppose, what I am]. He went from basically belie ...[text shortened]... ous, which allows him to handwave criticism as mere misrepresentations of his views." [rationalwiki]
Religion = Benny Hinn, Witness Lee, Pope so-and-so, Jehovah's Witnesses, Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robinson, corporate churches, political donations, ostracization, discrimination, Mike Pence, etc. etc.
Religion = Christian faith, concepts of "sin", "forgiveness", "salvation", love for Jesus etc.
Which sense of the word "religion" do you think divegeester has in mind?
My simple point stands regardless. Just because he can criticize they, others, them, anyone ... vociferously, doesn't necessarily make him one bit better.
My remark was about his confident boast that he is a "vociferous critic of religion."
Their about a dime every two dozen of so.
@fmf saidKind of an understatement considering that Jesus said the church is the salt of the earth.
Jordan Peterson is an atheist who thinks it is good for "society" if people like you believe what you do.
When there are no more Christians the world will spiral into chaos exactly as the Bible says. Watch and see. May even happen in your lifetime.
Jordan Peterson is really smart and very intelligent. He is naturally gifted.
But I am afraid that he might be caught in the trap that so many people of reputation find themselves in - caring more for the admiration of men then the approval of God.
How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that is from the only God? (John 5:44)
For they loved the glory of men more than the glory of God. (John 12:43)
It is a mercy when very popular and intelligent persons with up and coming fame can humble themselves to be identified with the Lord Jesus. Clout and reputation they may lose.
Some can make the step out of the world's spotlight into the hands of the Good Shepherd Jesus. More cannot bear the thought of being demoted by the world fame to a mere sheep in the flock of Jesus.
Pray for Jordan Peterson, Christians.
@sonship saidWhat do you make of Jordan Peterson's definition of "God"?
Jordan Peterson is really smart and very intelligent. He is naturally gifted.
But I am afraid that he might be caught in the trap that so many people of reputation find themselves in - caring more for the admiration of men then the approval of God.
[quote] How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that is from the only God ...[text shortened]... by the world fame to a mere sheep in the flock of Jesus.
Pray for Jordan Peterson, Christians.
@FMF
I already gave an opinion.
I've heard some of Jordan Peterson. He's a man still searching imo.
His definition of God seems to me that of a man still groping, seeking, contemplating, not knowing quite what to do with God.
Someone said they thought the "Lord's prayer" sounded like a Christian's prayer just before dying. That's funny. I thought it was a good prayer for a Christian waiting for his cloths to dry in the laundry mat.
@FMF
Read the sentence again.
He is an atheist; why would he seek "the approval of God"?
But I am afraid that he might be caught in the trap that so many people of reputation find themselves in - caring more for the admiration of men then the approval of God.
You twisted a bit. I said he may be in the trap of caring more for the admiration of men than the approval of God. That would imply that right now he may not be concerned or less concerned about having a personal relationship with God. All friendly personal relationships depend on mutual approval.
Why would you expect every thought of his to be identical to yours?
The evolution he may be undergoing might be completely different from your thinking.
I have not heard Jordan Peterson say so clearly that he was an atheist. Maybe he is. I haven't heard every talk he gave.
Secondly, the "definition of God" is someone's interpretation ("personal summary" ) of Peterson's philosophy as far as he could see.
Do you have Peterson definitely saying "Here is my definition of God" ?
What do you think about your friend's take on what he thinks would be Peterson's formal definition of God?
I'd like to see sources for the assertions in the OP. I am not doubting that your friend watched this stuff, but I think that JBP is purposefully evasive in defining God and does not actually have any place where he says he absolutely doesn't believe in a personal God, nor is there any place where he says he absolutely does believe in a personal God, but much of his posturing leans towards the latter.
Honestly, I find the topic to be very interesting and fun, and encourage anyone to link to any quotes that get us closer to some definitive answer to his views on these things.
@Philokalia
I prefer listening to Jordan Peterson rather then Sam Harris.
Like atheist Anthony Flew, who finally decided to go Deist, I think Peterson may still have something of an open heart to God as a living Person. If Alistar McGrath or C.S. Lewis could turn from their atheism to praying to, ie. "My Father, Father God" so could Professor Jordan Peterson.
@philokalia saidYes. He has. He has said that his answer to the questions are you a Christian? and do you believe in God? is "No".
I think that JBP is purposefully evasive in defining God and does not actually have any place where he says he absolutely doesn't believe in a personal God