@fmf saidI believe this is what Divegeester and you guys call "waffling."
Extraordinarily hardboiled hedging in a logical fallacy sauce.
Supposed secrecy about his faith, in harness with a huge strawman about how not being secret about his faith would be "triumphantly declaring" something [which no one is asking him to do] = definite signs of floundering and de facto dishonesty. Does he believe in God? 2018. No. Do you believe in God Jordan? 2019. ...
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It is also certainly wrong to suggest that anyone in 2019 is going to be getting loads of praise and benefit for believing in God publicly and declaiming as much from a meaningful, conservative place. Of course, if you are going to be wishy-washy and just throw a bone to boomer Christians, then maybe you can transition your belief in God into some ungodly paycheck from Patreon & YouTube from hopeless old people that have seen their culture destroyed during their lifetime.
@deepthought saidThe moment passed me by and I got a highlight breakdown from a friend.
The debate is on Petersen's YouTube channel. I think I saw Zizek do a talk about ten years ago, assuming it's the same person, he's pretty smart so I think the discussion could be well worth watching.
@philokalia saidI find his definition of "God" interesting and the value to society he places on religion, despite his woolly public agonizing.
It is also certainly wrong to suggest that anyone in 2019 is going to be getting loads of praise and benefit for believing in God publicly and declaiming as much from a meaningful, conservative place. Of course, if you are going to be wishy-washy and just throw a bone to boomer Christians, then maybe you can transition your belief in God into some ungodly paycheck from Pat ...[text shortened]... eon & YouTube from hopeless old people that have seen their culture destroyed during their lifetime.
-Removed-In that clip at the bottom of page 3, he was trying to maintain a bit of his stock in trade ambiguous self-mystification while at the same time - I think - trying a bit of virtue signalling about modesty and secrecy. If he is deeply religious, as he claims, why is his faith secret?
@fmf saidSee, one reason you could not do a podcast is because you are far too minimalistic.
I find his definition of "God" interesting and the value to society he places on religion, despite his woolly public agonizing.
You do not expound on anything, and use words like "woolly" to kind of insult that attitude.
I, on the other hand, I am quite loquacious - to the point of excess, right up to the point of it perhaps being a sin.
However, you would be a master of Haiku, FMF.
@fmf saidHe is so virtuous, he is secretive and does not allow his faith to be a "light to the world."
In that clip at the bottom of page 3, he was trying to maintain a bit of his stock in trade ambiguous self-mystification while at the same time - I think - trying a bit of virtue signalling about modesty and secrecy. If he is deeply religious, as he claims, why is his faith secret?
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
Mt. 5:14-16
@philokalia saidThank you for your advice. You should post as you see fit.
See, one reason you could not do a podcast is because you are far too minimalistic.
@philokalia saidI sometimes use woolly as a synonym for waffle when I encounter waffle. How is it an "insult"?
You do not expound on anything, and use words like "woolly" to kind of insult that attitude.
What words do you suggest for when I come across writing that does not strike me as having much or anything important or useful or pertinent to say or lengthy verbiage that is confused or unfocused?
"Waffle" is a very standard and very common British English word. How is it insulting?
@philokalia saidHe spent years claiming that unless one believes in the Christian God [and we are not talking about his circa 2018 agnostic atheist definition of "God"] one cannot understand logic, morality, science, and consciousness. Now, apparently he can - but to get away with the about-face - and perhaps to avoid taking responsibility for what he used to say - he has abandoned candour and opted for secrecy instead. "Virtuous" you say?
He is so virtuous, he is secretive and does not allow his faith to be a "light to the world."
@philokalia saidThanks. I see cogency, especially when it is succinct and to the point, as the appropriate way to post on a message board like this.
However, you would be a master of Haiku, FMF.
@fmf saidAw, but you see, when one says that you are writing or saying something that "does not have much or anything important or useful or pertinent to say" or assesses something as having "lengthy verbiage that is confused or unfocused," you are suggesting that they are doing a very poor job of writing or speaking.
I sometimes use woolly as a synonym for waffle when I encounter waffle. How is it an "insult"?
What words do you suggest for when I come across writing that does not strike me as having much or anything important or useful or pertinent to say or lengthy verbiage that is confused or unfocused?
"Waffle" is a very standard and very common British English word. How is it insulting?
And thus yuo are calling someone else's efforts a failure.
Thus, it would be seen as insulting to ascribe these characteristics to someone's writing or speaking.
@fmf saidI was being sarcastic.
He spent years claiming that unless one believes in the Christian God [and we are not talking about his circa 2018 agnostic atheist definition of "God"] one cannot understand logic, morality, science, and consciousness. Now, apparently he can - but to get away with the about-face - and perhaps to avoid taking responsibility for what he used to say - he has abandoned candour and opted for secrecy instead. "Virtuous" you say?
Perhaps you knew that. Perhaps you didn't.