Originally posted by robbie carrobieThey may have been or they may not have been. Who knows?! But i can tell you one thing for certain, small children definitely won't have been aware of the 'warning'. Their execution is nothing but senseless barbarism.
Ok i am not going to try to justify divine acts of execution, on women. children or
domestic animal. Were those people warned or were they not?
This act of 'justice' is nothing but a form of collective punishment.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobYes it is a form of collective punishment, undoubtedly, there is also however community
They may have been or they may not have been. Who knows?! But i can tell you one thing for certain, small children definitely won't have been aware of the 'warning'. Their execution is nothing but senseless barbarism.
This act of 'justice' is nothing but a form of collective punishment.
responsibility, in that the community is responsible for seeing that its members are
kept free from harm. Take for example the case of the Midianites, the Israelites were
ordered, not to attack them, they merely wanted to pass through their land
unmolested, yet they hardened themselves against the Israelites and fomented war.
Thus they brought the outcome upon themselves. In other instances if you know
there is an army of several hundred thousand waiting outside your city which issue a
warning, surrender and your lives will be spared and you ignore that warning and are
overcome, whose fault is that?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieCertainly not the fault of any children. There is a reason why the US keeps getting criticized for civilian casualties in its various campaigns, especially when those casualties are children.
In other instances if you know
there is an army of several hundred thousand waiting outside your city which issue a
warning, surrender and your lives will be spared and you ignore that warning and are
overcome, whose fault is that?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo the killing of innocent women and children in an act of collective punishment is really a lesson in 'community responsibility'? I see, how novel.
Yes it is a form of collective punishment, undoubtedly, there is also however community
responsibility, in that the community is responsible for seeing that its members are
kept free from harm. Take for example the case of the Midianites, the Israelites were
ordered, not to attack them, they merely wanted to pass through their land
unmoleste ...[text shortened]... d your lives will be spared and you ignore that warning and are
overcome, whose fault is that?
Would you say the situation in Gaza is a lesson in community responsibility? I mean what has happened there in the past was a form of collective punishment in which innocent women and children were killed.
Originally posted by Proper Knobno its not a lesson at all, its a fact of war, sadly. War is war dear Noobster and atrocity
So the killing of innocent women and children in an act of collective punishment is really a lesson in 'community responsibility'? I see, how novel.
Would you say the situation in Gaza is a lesson in community responsibility? I mean what has happened there in the past was a form of collective punishment in which innocent women and children were killed.
happens, frequently during it.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo when innocent women and children are killed during an act of collective punishment during war time, that's an atrocity. But when your God sanctioned an act of collective punishment killing women and children that's a lesson in 'community responsibility'?
no its not a lesson at all, its a fact of war, sadly. War is war dear Noobster and atrocity
happens, frequently during it.
Is that what you're saying?
Originally posted by Proper KnobTo him the act of war is evil in itself, even if it is sanctioned by God to
So when innocent women and children are killed during an act of collective punishment during war time, that's an atrocity. But when your God sanctioned an act of collective punishment killing women and children that's a lesson in 'community responsibility'?
Is that what you're saying?
fulfill His purpose.
Originally posted by Proper Knobyour splitting hairs, what does it matter whether its an act of divine retribution or a
So when innocent women and children are killed during an act of collective punishment during war time, that's an atrocity. But when your God sanctioned an act of collective punishment killing women and children that's a lesson in 'community responsibility'?
Is that what you're saying?
marauding army? war is war.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's hardly splitting hairs Rob. As twhitehead says above, human wars are perpetuated by fallible humans. Divine retribution is sanctioned by a supposedly caring, loving, omniscient and omnipotent God.
your splitting hairs, what does it matter whether its an act of divine retribution or a
marauding army? war is war.
Originally posted by RJHindsYou don't have to know God. You merely have to know what terms like "loving" and "just" mean. You can adopt some non-standard, theistic reading of those terms, but then please let people know that when you say "God is loving", you actually mean "God is (g)loving", or whatever.
Since when do you know God?
Originally posted by bbarrBut if you don't know God, how can you really know if He is not "loving"
You don't have to know God. You merely have to know what terms like "loving" and "just" mean. You can adopt some non-standard, theistic reading of those terms, but then please let people know that when you say "God is loving", you actually mean "God is (g)loving", or whatever.
and "just".