Judgement, Injustice, and love

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Ok i am not going to try to justify divine acts of execution, on women. children or
domestic animal. Were those people warned or were they not?

They may have been or they may not have been. Who knows?! But i can tell you one thing for certain, small children definitely won't have been aware of the 'warning'. Their execution is nothing but senseless barbarism.

This act of 'justice' is nothing but a form of collective punishment.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
They may have been or they may not have been. Who knows?! But i can tell you one thing for certain, small children definitely won't have been aware of the 'warning'. Their execution is nothing but senseless barbarism.

This act of 'justice' is nothing but a form of collective punishment.

Yes it is a form of collective punishment, undoubtedly, there is also however community
responsibility, in that the community is responsible for seeing that its members are
kept free from harm. Take for example the case of the Midianites, the Israelites were
ordered, not to attack them, they merely wanted to pass through their land
unmolested, yet they hardened themselves against the Israelites and fomented war.
Thus they brought the outcome upon themselves. In other instances if you know
there is an army of several hundred thousand waiting outside your city which issue a
warning, surrender and your lives will be spared and you ignore that warning and are
overcome, whose fault is that?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
In other instances if you know
there is an army of several hundred thousand waiting outside your city which issue a
warning, surrender and your lives will be spared and you ignore that warning and are
overcome, whose fault is that?

Certainly not the fault of any children. There is a reason why the US keeps getting criticized for civilian casualties in its various campaigns, especially when those casualties are children.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes it is a form of collective punishment, undoubtedly, there is also however community
responsibility, in that the community is responsible for seeing that its members are
kept free from harm. Take for example the case of the Midianites, the Israelites were
ordered, not to attack them, they merely wanted to pass through their land
unmoleste ...[text shortened]... d your lives will be spared and you ignore that warning and are
overcome, whose fault is that?

So the killing of innocent women and children in an act of collective punishment is really a lesson in 'community responsibility'? I see, how novel.

Would you say the situation in Gaza is a lesson in community responsibility? I mean what has happened there in the past was a form of collective punishment in which innocent women and children were killed.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So the killing of innocent women and children in an act of collective punishment is really a lesson in 'community responsibility'? I see, how novel.

Would you say the situation in Gaza is a lesson in community responsibility? I mean what has happened there in the past was a form of collective punishment in which innocent women and children were killed.

no its not a lesson at all, its a fact of war, sadly. War is war dear Noobster and atrocity
happens, frequently during it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no its not a lesson at all, its a fact of war, sadly. War is war dear Noobster and atrocity
happens, frequently during it.

So when innocent women and children are killed during an act of collective punishment during war time, that's an atrocity. But when your God sanctioned an act of collective punishment killing women and children that's a lesson in 'community responsibility'?

Is that what you're saying?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So when innocent women and children are killed during an act of collective punishment during war time, that's an atrocity. But when your God sanctioned an act of collective punishment killing women and children that's a lesson in 'community responsibility'?

Is that what you're saying?

To him the act of war is evil in itself, even if it is sanctioned by God to
fulfill His purpose.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So when innocent women and children are killed during an act of collective punishment during war time, that's an atrocity. But when your God sanctioned an act of collective punishment killing women and children that's a lesson in 'community responsibility'?

Is that what you're saying?

your splitting hairs, what does it matter whether its an act of divine retribution or a
marauding army? war is war.

Originally posted by RJHinds
To him the act of war is evil in itself, even if it is sanctioned by God to
fulfill His purpose.

A just and loving God, would never sanction war.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
your splitting hairs, what does it matter whether its an act of divine retribution or a
marauding army? war is war.

It's hardly splitting hairs Rob. As twhitehead says above, human wars are perpetuated by fallible humans. Divine retribution is sanctioned by a supposedly caring, loving, omniscient and omnipotent God.

Originally posted by twhitehead
A just and loving God, would never sanction war.

Since when do you know God?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Since when do you know God?

You don't have to know God. You merely have to know what terms like "loving" and "just" mean. You can adopt some non-standard, theistic reading of those terms, but then please let people know that when you say "God is loving", you actually mean "God is (g)loving", or whatever.

Originally posted by bbarr
You don't have to know God. You merely have to know what terms like "loving" and "just" mean.

I didn't know you supported atheistic viewpoints... 😲

-m. 😉

Originally posted by mikelom
[b]I didn't know you supported atheistic viewpoints... 😲

-m. 😉[/b]

Priceless.

Originally posted by bbarr
You don't have to know God. You merely have to know what terms like "loving" and "just" mean. You can adopt some non-standard, theistic reading of those terms, but then please let people know that when you say "God is loving", you actually mean "God is (g)loving", or whatever.

But if you don't know God, how can you really know if He is not "loving"
and "just".